Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
Beli
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:33 am
Posts: 89
Location: Romania
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:50 am 
 

Didn't like it either. How can such simple, raw music receive so much praise. It's raw below Beherit standards and the clear production only kills it by unveiling its simplicity.
If he decided to be Burzum, it doesn't work with thrashy riffs. He needs quality atmospheric riffs for that, but it has already been done thousand times. The 3 minute 1-riff song Destroyer of Thousand Worlds must be a joke. I expect Nuclear Holocausto to come and laugh at all those who enjoyed the album by saying it was an aprils fools joke and the real album wasn't released yet. Because compared to DDtM or TOoBB it's nothing. Old Bathory, Beherit, Celtic Frost and even a generic simple darkthronish riff on Pimeyden Henki, recycled stuff. I expected more creativity if he bothered to return after so many years.
The better tracks are in my opinion the first and last one, as for a rating .... 55% not more.

Top
 Profile  
xJx_Joshua_xJx
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu Dec 25, 2008 8:10 pm
Posts: 111
Location: Korea, South
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:49 pm 
 

Im not by any means a hardcore black metal fan, so this was my first Beherit album (I know, I know, I deserve to be kicked in the throat). I really enjoyed Engram, and now Drawing Down The Moon is definitely on my to do list.

Top
 Profile  
awm
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:13 am
Posts: 1220
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:38 pm 
 

Nolan_B is always on target in these black metal threads.

Top
 Profile  
t1337Dude
Metalhead

Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 5:20 am
Posts: 686
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:56 pm 
 

Mezentus wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
caspian wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
...Listening now. Not impressed. All the riffs on this album so far are almost 30 years old.


30 years old.. a typo? I dunno.
Not a typo. The first 4 songs don't have a single riff that isn't lifted directly from a classic thrash record. Either Welcome to Hell/Black Metal, or one of those early Hellhammer/Celtic Frost releases.

Blah. Fuck this band.


I heard that too... I don't say "fuck this band", because I quite like older Beherit, but this was a rather... boring... release.


Gets better with repeated listens and attention to detail.

Top
 Profile  
madbringer
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:08 pm
Posts: 292
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:28 pm 
 

Oh it's good. It's very, very good. It's like an artifact buried in the ground for several decades, unearthed, dusted and kicking ass, old-school style. It's simple, it's raw, it's like a punch in the gut.

As for the 'black metal dead/not dead' thing, it's comes to a subjective perception of what you call black metal. If you refuse the third wave, sure, it's dead, or at least, stale with minor 'alive' spikes here and there. If you do not, it's well alive and in great shape, at that. I just don't understand the diehard orthodoxy of some people. Would it be better if bands regurgitated the same stuff for the last 15 years? I prefer to have the variety and sidetracking, and not holding on to the olden forulma of times long gone.
_________________
;asd

Top
 Profile  
Abominatrix
Harbinger of Metal

Joined: Fri Oct 24, 2003 12:15 pm
Posts: 10216
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:38 pm 
 

madbringer wrote:
Oh it's good. It's very, very good. It's like an artifact buried in the ground for several decades, unearthed, dusted and kicking ass, old-school style. It's simple, it's raw, it's like a punch in the gut.

As for the 'black metal dead/not dead' thing, it's comes to a subjective perception of what you call black metal. If you refuse the third wave, sure, it's dead, or at least, stale with minor 'alive' spikes here and there. If you do not, it's well alive and in great shape, at that. I just don't understand the diehard orthodoxy of some people. Would it be better if bands regurgitated the same stuff for the last 15 years? I prefer to have the variety and sidetracking, and not holding on to the olden forulma of times long gone.


Indeed. It's a cohesive and strong work, and yes, there is a great deal of subtlety to it, though I don't suppose for a moment that they've "reinvented black metal". I love the way the album starts .. it's all suggestive of the sick dream of a crazed opium fiend, and as such the album succeeds beautifully. THere are a few minor things I would have liked to have seen done differently, such as the vocals, perhaps, but it seems, so far, better by a margin than what I could have expected from Nuclear Holocausto after all this time.

Some of you folks clearly haven't listened to "The Oath of Black Blood" very very much. There are two separate demos to be heard on that thing, and they sound rather different. Hint: the second one is much better than the first.
_________________
Hush! and hark
To the sorrowful cry
Of the wind in the dark.
Hush and hark, without murmur or sigh,
To shoon that tread the lost aeons:
To the sound that bids you to die.

Top
 Profile  
Karnstein_Records
Not yet ready for a custom title

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 am
Posts: 1201
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:36 pm 
 

The black metal dead/not dead is a funny argument. The difference is there's just more people making it now. And it's easier to record and distribute. Back in the days of the second wave it was more difficult, so you had to really care about it to go and write, record and release it. Now it's very easy so thousands of people that do it.
_________________
Ultraboris wrote:
Metal isn't supposed to be a fucking lullaby


Karnstein Records
www.karnsteinrecords.com

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:10 pm 
 

awm wrote:
Nolan_B is always on target in these black metal threads.


I actually don't know why. My opinions aren't exactly conflicting with most.

Top
 Profile  
MECHAZAWA
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:01 am
Posts: 106
Location: Micronesia, Federated States of
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:42 pm 
 

Beli wrote:
How can such simple, raw music receive so much praise.

Because, I just fucking hate this world.
_________________
Freud: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Carlin: Oh yeah? Well sometimes it's a BIG, BROWN DICK! With a fat, criminal-business asshole sucking on the wet end of it.

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:53 pm 
 

HOLY SHIT! Tepes gave Engram a 100% review!

Top
 Profile  
Beli
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:33 am
Posts: 89
Location: Romania
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:21 am 
 

Impossible :0. I had huge respect for that guy for his accurate ratings.

Oh ... he's a Beherit fanboy. Understandable.

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:10 am 
 

I would've expected a 0% with the title "The opposite of metal, part 3."

Top
 Profile  
WebOfPiss
Myopic Void

Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:17 pm
Posts: 2907
Location: Presidio Modelo
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:05 am 
 

HowDisgusting wrote:
Blah. Fuck this band.
Fucking hell, baptisms are strange these days. First it begins with liking Opeth, then Jesus becomes your savior, you start loving DsO, and then you hate Beherit.

Top
 Profile  
Bow_to_your_Master
Metal newbie

Joined: Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:04 pm
Posts: 49
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:32 pm 
 

Spoken intro is stupid. Some of the lyrics, if I'm understanding them right, were pretty stupid, too. The variation in vocals throws me off, as well. When I'm "trancing out" to an album, I like the vocals to be consistent - the vocal style on Pimeyden Henki was perfect, should've just stuck with that throughout. That being said, it's a pretty damn good album. Pimeyden Henki and Demon Advance are especially outstanding tracks.

Top
 Profile  
Shawnathan_Mory
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 8:37 pm
Posts: 111
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:09 pm 
 

Yeah, I couldn't get into it.


1) The Clean production killed the mystique.
2) Drawing down the moon was so good that no album they will release can ever top it.
3) Salomon's Gate and Nocturnal Evil are the two of the best black metal songs of all time

Top
 Profile  
thejuiceisloose
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:04 pm
Posts: 84
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:18 am 
 

I think that review pretty much sums up the greatness of this record!

Beherit leads the way!
_________________
One time a Christian told me to go to Hell, but I've already been to Hell and freed all the Nazis!

Every time a Christian dies they are sent straight to the Dachau of the underworld for the sin of Jesus worship!

Top
 Profile  
Vrede
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:07 pm
Posts: 752
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:24 am 
 

I'm sure if it wasn't Beherit people wouldn't give a shit about this release. I admit it has some nice riffs, but calling it revolutionary? Meh.
_________________
rexxz wrote:
Crick wrote:
Except, y'know, people don't just go around jerking off and rubbing random erogenous zones of their bodies in public.

Speak for yourself.

Top
 Profile  
Bezerko
Vladimir Poopin

Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:50 am
Posts: 4806
Location: Venestraya
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:29 am 
 

Engram is fucking excellent, enough said.

Not a huge fan of Drawing Down the Moon [/shock] but I love Oath of Black Blood (strange, hmm?), but Engram tops both in my mind.

Top
 Profile  
DenialFiend
Metalhead

Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 892
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:07 am 
 

Bezerko wrote:
Engram is fucking excellent, enough said.


I have just finished album's listening and I can't agree more. For those who didn't like it, foad. This album rules. A Beherit comeback to their roots, but even better :headbang:

Top
 Profile  
madbringer
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Sep 11, 2006 12:08 pm
Posts: 292
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:15 am 
 

Vrede wrote:
I admit it has some nice riffs, but calling it revolutionary? Meh.


Yeah, i keep hearing from different people that this album redefines this, or revolutionizes that. It does not! In fact, it does the exact opposite - it creates an aura of primitivism and the barbaric black metal roots around it, throwing one deep into past while pummeling their face with a fucking rock.
_________________
;asd

Top
 Profile  
thejuiceisloose
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:04 pm
Posts: 84
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:38 pm 
 

Vrede wrote:
I'm sure if it wasn't Beherit people wouldn't give a shit about this release.


You can say that, but the fact remains that no band but Beherit released this album, nor could they have.
_________________
One time a Christian told me to go to Hell, but I've already been to Hell and freed all the Nazis!

Every time a Christian dies they are sent straight to the Dachau of the underworld for the sin of Jesus worship!

Top
 Profile  
Gut18
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:53 am
Posts: 7
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:38 pm 
 

In a fact i like this album and i don't see nothing wrong in that release, good music and i feel that this is Beherit, maybe not the same Beherit like in ealier, old days but still it is this band recognizable music

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:21 pm 
 

There's a hate review up now.

Top
 Profile  
daemon_necromaton
Metal newbie

Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:18 am
Posts: 346
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:00 am 
 

And it's outrageously retarded. What a surprise. Wonder if we'll see a good one though, the potential's there.

Top
 Profile  
Beli
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:33 am
Posts: 89
Location: Romania
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:18 am 
 

That doesn't sound like a hate review, more of an accurate one. If you read the other reviews without listening to the album you might think it's actually complex since nobody mentions the utterly boring endless repetition totally lacking in quality.
Quote:
There really isn't much to be said about this album - it is impressively lacking in substance and variation, so describing it very well is a bit of a challenge. To sum Engram up in a few words, "monotonous", "repetitive", "boring", and "formulaic" offer more than enough description, and cover quite literally every aspect of the recording.

This paragraph sums it up nicely.

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:23 am 
 

It's definitely not a bad review. "Hate review" as a term had bad connotations. I love the album, though.

Top
 Profile  
t1337Dude
Metalhead

Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 5:20 am
Posts: 686
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:40 am 
 

This album is clearly excellent, and anyone who finds it bad has a mental deficiency - or doesn't belong in black metal in the first place. This is the best black metal release of the year and probably will be for awhile. Complaining about black metal being repetitive and monotonous? Get the fuck out.

Top
 Profile  
Tantalus
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:18 pm
Posts: 1097
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:21 am 
 

t1337Dude wrote:
Complaining about black metal being repetitive and monotonous? Get the fuck out.


This.
_________________
Caïna - 2004-death - http://www.facebook.com/cainaband

Top
 Profile  
Tantalus
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:18 pm
Posts: 1097
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:22 am 
 

Ein Dopplepost
_________________
Caïna - 2004-death - http://www.facebook.com/cainaband

Top
 Profile  
Bezerko
Vladimir Poopin

Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:50 am
Posts: 4806
Location: Venestraya
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:38 am 
 

t1337Dude wrote:
This album is clearly excellent, and anyone who finds it bad has a mental deficiency - or doesn't belong in black metal in the first place. This is the best black metal release of the year and probably will be for awhile. Complaining about black metal being repetitive and monotonous? Get the fuck out.


While the second sentence may (and possibly will) be proven wrong, this man essentially tells the truth.

Top
 Profile  
HerpDerp
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:04 am
Posts: 15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:25 am 
 

t1337Dude wrote:
This album is clearly excellent, and anyone who finds it bad has a mental deficiency - or doesn't belong in black metal in the first place. This is the best black metal release of the year and probably will be for awhile. Complaining about black metal being repetitive and monotonous? Get the fuck out.


Edit: never mind


Last edited by HerpDerp on Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:21 am, edited 2 times in total.
Top
 Profile  
DenialFiend
Metalhead

Joined: Sun May 25, 2008 12:15 pm
Posts: 892
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:20 am 
 

First place blackmetal? Mental deficiency? Indeed.

Top
 Profile  
HerpDerp
Mallcore Kid

Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:04 am
Posts: 15
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:25 am 
 

DenialFiend wrote:
First place blackmetal? Mental deficiency? Indeed.


What?

Top
 Profile  
thejuiceisloose
Metal newbie

Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:04 pm
Posts: 84
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:14 pm 
 

It's perfectly valid to complain about repetitiveness in a black metal album. Lots of black metal albums are over-repetitive and suffer greatly for it, I just don't understand why anyone would say "Engram" is repetitive. It's got so much going on it's hard to keep track of.
_________________
One time a Christian told me to go to Hell, but I've already been to Hell and freed all the Nazis!

Every time a Christian dies they are sent straight to the Dachau of the underworld for the sin of Jesus worship!

Top
 Profile  
cadena
Metal newbie

Joined: Thu May 08, 2008 9:12 am
Posts: 72
Location: Puerto Rico
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:38 pm 
 

ive never have listened to this band but people says to me that darkthrone and beherit have something in common

so engram is going to be my first cd of beherit

Top
 Profile  
Nolan_B
In League With Nolan

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 10:05 pm
Posts: 4365
Location: United States
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:35 pm 
 

Okay, now that the complete awe of the album has passed, I have one gripe that I want to mention. The blast beats are too slow! In the early days Sodomatic Slaughter would blast at the full extent of his ability. Some songs like All in Satan seem to lag a bit.

Top
 Profile  
MazeofTorment
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:06 pm
Posts: 2039
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:34 pm 
 

Nolan_B wrote:
Okay, now that the complete awe of the album has passed, I have one gripe that I want to mention. The blast beats are too slow! In the early days Sodomatic Slaughter would blast at the full extent of his ability. Some songs like All in Satan seem to lag a bit.

Hadnt thought about it to much but I think you might be right. Some of the 'faster' drum tracks do seem to still be lacking in speed in relation to the riffs.

Anyhow, I've listened to this twice and I have to say that all in all its pretty solid. Nothing special but a nice return to black metal for Beherit. Personally I think the album actually gets better as it goes on. I really like the last track.
_________________
Sokaris wrote:
I love this board but I'm fucking tired of everyone ejaculating every time someone puts a tree on an album cover.

Top
 Profile  
Marras
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:21 am
Posts: 40
Location: Finland
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:07 am 
 

Good album I must say. Really much better than I expected, one of the rare successful comebacks. Almost surpassing their previous works.

Interesting, Engram seems to be number 10 in Finlands official album list this week. Horrible sell-outs :P

Top
 Profile  
Tantalus
Metalhead

Joined: Mon Sep 12, 2005 6:18 pm
Posts: 1097
Location: United Kingdom
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:34 am 
 

My favourite album of the year so far. Listened to it about 5 times so far, keeps revealing new things. I actually think it might be the best 'album' Beherit have put out - DDTM is a classic but undeniably flawed, Electric Doom Synthesis is cool but not really a proper album. I didn't like H.whateverblah.blah. This feels like a rounded piece of work, and also rocks like a motherfucker.
_________________
Caïna - 2004-death - http://www.facebook.com/cainaband

Top
 Profile  
DaBuddha
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:30 pm
Posts: 1304
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:46 am 
 

I don't know why people are complaining about the production being too clean. DDtM didn't exactly have a super raw production either and everyone shits themselves over that one.

As for Engram, I like it. It wasn't really what I was expecting to be honest. I like the vocals and some of the riffs are really cool, but the drumming should be faster on tracks like All in Satan and Suck My Blood. Some of the songs sound the same, but I'm not one to complain about that. All in all I like it. Let's see what the next album is like.
_________________
Winds and storms embrace us now
Lay waste the light of day
Open gates to darker lands
We spread our wings and fly away

Just tell Nocturno Culto you were too busy getting stoned to burn down churches, he'll understand.
Darkthrone - My Anti-Drug

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: andersbang, baconboom, BloodSacrificeShaman, Google [Bot] and 22 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group