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unsane69
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:31 am 
 

thejuicebitch wrote:
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No. It really isn't.
The real reason why people don't do it is because Antti's vocal style (no inhalations by the way) is very unique. I have not heard a single vocalist who sounds even close to what he does. Perhaps you could tell me?


The guy from Wormed gets pretty close at times. Other than that, no...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:38 pm 
 

This thread made me go back and listen to this album again for the first time in a long time. It's cool but I don't really understand all the praise... It's kind of generic sounding really, even the "unique" vocals I know I've heard other bands use before and they aren't particularly great. Just a good album in my opinion.

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ikuturiso
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:11 pm 
 

Hockeymask wrote:
This thread made me go back and listen to this album again for the first time in a long time. It's cool but I don't really understand all the praise... It's kind of generic sounding really, even the "unique" vocals I know I've heard other bands use before and they aren't particularly great. Just a good album in my opinion.


Wait... what? Care to elaborate a little?

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DeathcoreDecimator
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:44 pm 
 

I just downloaded it now, and I'm listening to the first song. Pretty good, kind of hard to get into. It seems a little bit overrated in my opinion, but it hasn't really grown on me yet. What I don't get though is the cryptic messages and shit. What are the ones other than what the MA entry already says?

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:48 pm 
 

DeathcoreDecimator wrote:
I just downloaded it now, and I'm listening to the first song. Pretty good, kind of hard to get into. It seems a little bit overrated in my opinion, but it hasn't really grown on me yet. What I don't get though is the cryptic messages and shit. What are the ones other than what the MA entry already says?


You're calling it overrated on the first song? Come on, man, you should know that metal isn't always instantly pleasing.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:57 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
DeathcoreDecimator wrote:
I just downloaded it now, and I'm listening to the first song. Pretty good, kind of hard to get into. It seems a little bit overrated in my opinion, but it hasn't really grown on me yet. What I don't get though is the cryptic messages and shit. What are the ones other than what the MA entry already says?


You're calling it overrated on the first song? Come on, man, you should know that metal isn't always instantly pleasing.


Now that I've listened to more of it its really starting to grow on me for what it is. I didn't mean overrated in a necessarily negative way, just saying it gets a LOT of praise. I really do enjoy it though. Very original.

EDIT: Now I know what the buzz is about. I listened to it, and I was just like wow this is good. Listened to some other stuff for a few minutes, and then I just got a huge urge to play the album again.

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the16th6toothson
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:47 pm 
 

for those who don't "get it"

let me know what you think in 10 years, if you don't like it then i will be blown away by shock. it's stunning. ...just let it sink in.
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marktheviktor
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:01 pm 
 

Hockeymask wrote:
This thread made me go back and listen to this album again for the first time in a long time. It's cool but I don't really understand all the praise... It's kind of generic sounding really, even the "unique" vocals I know I've heard other bands use before and they aren't particularly great. Just a good album in my opinion.


I've heard those type of vocals before in some goregrind bands with The County Medical Examiners in particular.

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invoked
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:11 pm 
 

the16th6toothson wrote:
for those who don't "get it"

let me know what you think in 10 years, if you don't like it then i will be blown away by shock. it's stunning. ...just let it sink in.

Really, you like Demilich? Who woulda thunkit?

Also, I find the claims that Demilich or Antti's vocals are "generic" to be absolutely fucking hilarious.
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juicebitch
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:12 pm 
 

ikuturiso wrote:
Hockeymask wrote:
This thread made me go back and listen to this album again for the first time in a long time. It's cool but I don't really understand all the praise... It's kind of generic sounding really, even the "unique" vocals I know I've heard other bands use before and they aren't particularly great. Just a good album in my opinion.


Wait... what? Care to elaborate a little?


Yes, please do. That is a ridiculous critique of the album.
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the16th6toothson
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:17 pm 
 

invoked wrote:
the16th6toothson wrote:
for those who don't "get it"

let me know what you think in 10 years, if you don't like it then i will be blown away by shock. it's stunning. ...just let it sink in.

Really, you like Demilich? Who woulda thunkit?

Also, I find the claims that Demilich or Antti's vocals are "generic" to be absolutely fucking hilarious.


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Dementia_Warrior
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:25 am 
 

Are there any other bands out there that sound anything like Demilich? I mean, you have thousands of Burzum worship bands out there, but how many Demilich worship bands? I came across Biolich thinking it might offer something similar, but that was a let down.

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lord_ghengis
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:40 am 
 

The vocals are a little generic, not typical, but not totally unlike anything else. I mean, there are hundreds of bands which use a burp type delivery.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:16 am 
 

But then you could go and say Quorthon or Frank Mullen's vocals are generic, because tons of bands use their respective styles now. Varg was as unique as they get back in '91, but now numerous vocalists have adopted his style (which some refer to affectionately as the "dying cat" style). Likewise, Demilich was one of, if not the first to use the burp vocals in metal. Just because there are scores of Myspace pitch-shifter prone bedroom projects and pornogrind bands that employ similar technique doesn't make Antti's work on Nespithe any less original. Now if he had stuck with the style on the demos, which was closer to what many of Demilich's Finnish contemporaries were doing at the time, you could make a more valid argument for the vocals being generic.

Now, if you just dislike them in general, as in you think the delivery is poor or "weak" sounding, that's a different matter altogether.
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differer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:25 am 
 

I enjoy the album, yes. I just regret I missed it when it first came out, I know I would like it a lot more had it been among the first DM I ever heard. In retrospect I don't think it's THAT unique. Certainly above average anyway, even if one only counts the classics of the genre.
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Hockeymask
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 3:36 am 
 

thejuicebitch wrote:
ikuturiso wrote:
Hockeymask wrote:
This thread made me go back and listen to this album again for the first time in a long time. It's cool but I don't really understand all the praise... It's kind of generic sounding really, even the "unique" vocals I know I've heard other bands use before and they aren't particularly great. Just a good album in my opinion.


Wait... what? Care to elaborate a little?


Yes, please do. That is a ridiculous critique of the album.


You guys are right, I was a little harsh and vague. For it's time it was pretty original overall. Even so, it's technical death metal from 1993, and it sounds pretty much exactly like you would expect it to from that description. As far as the vocals plenty of bands have done similar styles, it's not something completely original like people are making it out to be. Even if they were the first to do it, I'm sure there had to be someone else doing something that sounded pretty damn close around the same time. I mean they don't even sound that far removed from a growl or whatever else, just a different guttural delivery.

A big part of it for me is that I don't really feel like the vocals fit with the music, they would fit far better with something more brutal. Also the timing of the vocals seems very random and odd to me. It's just my opinion, I think it's a good album but its not something I listen to too often. However as a result of everyone speaking highly of it here I am listening to it a little more now so maybe it will grow on me, we will see. Maybe I just haven't "got" it yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:33 am 
 

When I was just started getting into Death Metal, Demilich, Tribes of Cain, and Carcariass where the 3 that made me like the genre. Although I didn't really listened to Demilich all that much back then because of the vocals, so I never bothered to check it out again. That was about 4 years ago. Checking out this thread made me download Nespithe, and I'm quite impressed by how actually good this is. This is really some quality Death Metal stuff.The vocals, yeah I wouldn't imagine it being in anything else but this. I think those standard death metal growls would actually ruin the merit of Demilich.

This is definitely going to be one of my top 10 death metal albums of all time.
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juicebitch
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:59 am 
 

Hockeymask wrote:

A big part of it for me is that I don't really feel like the vocals fit with the music, they would fit far better with something more brutal. Also the timing of the vocals seems very random and odd to me. It's just my opinion, I think it's a good album but its not something I listen to too often. However as a result of everyone speaking highly of it here I am listening to it a little more now so maybe it will grow on me, we will see. Maybe I just haven't "got" it yet.


I sometimes wonder whether more traditional vocals would fit better with Demilich's music, but actually the way the vocals are delivered go really well with the riffs, both in terms of style and timing.

Maybe you'll "get" the album, maybe you won't. But I think that this is the kind of album that all extreme metal listeners should at least appreciate, if not enjoy. That's just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:02 am 
 

It is one of those albums you or you do not,you are correct. I think the vocals were appropriate for it. They probably sound better for it the more a person listens to it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:50 am 
 

marktheviktor wrote:
It is one of those albums you or you do not,you are correct. I think the vocals were appropriate for it. They probably sound better for it the more a person listens to it.

I thought the vocals were a joke at first, but they grew on me. It is really just a part of what makes Demilich who they are.

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