Some people make stupid assumptions that all deathcore/metalcore listeners are emos,sceners,hardcore wannabes. I do not understand this... why sterotype..all listeners into one bunch..

oh well whatever then...floats your boat... i guess...

I personally just think its not necessary to sterotype and judge people based on their musical tastes... but in your eyes it may seem right...

I do not consider myself a hardcore kid, but maybe i do dress like one, my attiude does not represent one. i personally hate most emos,scene kids and hardcore kids. I still need a proper explaination...

Now i understand, but i do agree with you in a way,but i just see it morally incorrect to judge someone. It may make things easier but still i see it wrong to make assumptions.. because not everyone is the same they are all individuals... get what i mean?

Devourment formed in 95, but didn't release anything till 97 and no actual album till 99. So counting from first release or first album, still looking at a decade or so difference. Mortician formed in 89, but didn't adopt the style they're recognised for until 96 with Hacked Up For Barbeque. Disgorge don't have an album till 99 either (they have a demo from 92, but its basically a clone of early Suffocation).

So assuming we go from first Atheist album to first Mortician album, we're looking at about 7-8 years and two subgenre crosses (death/thrash -> trad DM -> brutal death metal). So by my understanding of the times involved that'd make for an accurate comparision if we count both metalcore and deathcore (as well as all the mostly-core hybrid) bands as acceptable responses.

I'm not familiar enough with Tribulation to make a call there.

The thing is because death metal is such a huge influence on the deathcore genre,.

What are the death metal bands that influence deathcore bands?

Deathcore is a mix of death metal and metalcore. If you think deathcore bands aren't influenced by death metal bands then you are obviously stupid. Then if the clone bands are only influenced by slightly older deathcore bands, that's another thing. Deathcore as we know it would not exist if not for death metal.

Do you think you could answer the question and stop making assumptions. I don't listen to deathcore.

Listed influences (taken from official myspace sites):

All Shall Perish:
Dying Fetus, Blood Has Been Shed, Deicide, Dissection, Skinless, Hatebreed, Internal Bleeding, Suffocation... and thousands more

Veil Of Maya:
Meshuggah, Spawn Of Possession, Death, Cynic, Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Martys, Gorguts (and others from completely different genres)

The Red Chord:
Cynic, Death, Human Remains, Suffocation, Immolation, Crowbar

Heaven Shall Burn:
Bolt Thrower, At The Gates, Earth Crisis, Amon Amarth, Rammstein, Day Of Suffering, Kreator, Napalm Death, All Out War, Merauder, Liar, Dismember, Unanimated, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost, Katatonia, Edge Of Sanity and many more

I had a feeling it was more melodic death and brutal death bands. Thanks. And before anyone goes ape over that, I know there are a few actual death bands there. Those examples pretty much tell me it's a heavier version of melodeath with reep vocals.

What are the death metal bands that influence deathcore bands?

I wouldnt go as far to say that certain bands influenced deathcore but Id say what ever death metal bands a band listens to would be their influences. Thats also not to say that these bands are only influenced by death metal and/or metalcore either. The influences would varry depending on the band.

Given the examples, they don't take much influence from death metal at all.

Those are only 4 bands out of the millions of deathcore bands out there and its not like every band takes all their influences from one genre. Im sure you could find a Death/Thrash band that takes a lesser influence of death than thrash or thrash than death.

I think there's a slight difference, and it's that death came from thrash. Deathcore didn't come from death metal.
Thrash bands became death, and black. Deathcore is not an extention of that, and infact reverts towards mdm and other genres that already existed.

The title of this thread infuriates and confuses me. Why in the fuck do people spell -core stuff with "x" in the middle? Especially hardcore. I always see it as "Hardxcore" or "hxc". And my mind always reads it as "Hard times core", which is strangely irritating.

I see what you mean. And the only genre that your interpretation of the 'x' even makes a bit of sense with is mathcore, and thats only because of its name

One thing that confuses me with the -core bands is the fact that I've heard many people say they are largely influenced by Nu-metal bands, when I see hardly no resemblance in sound.

Bring me the Horizon did a Slipknot cover, iirc

Just because a genre managed to steal a genre name doesn't mean it has anything to do with it. Just like with Melodic death, there is no death. Having not heard dc I can't say this for certain, but from the examples provided it's much the same story.

It really does'nt suck unless you have an open mind and look for the right bands. Most people tend to sterotype deathcore on a few bands or one bands performance. There are actually quite alot of decent deathcore bands, you just gotta look for them. I would'nt say it sucks but i would say its pretty new to alot of people which why so many people hate it. I assure you would find something you may like.

I personally love it. But so far ive kinda got bored of it so ive been mainly listening to brutal death metal, technicial/experimental death metal.

Deathcore mostly worships the biggest bands in the Brutal DM scene and throws some random wankery in occasionally to appear "technical". Breakdowns are lame as hell too.