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nggr
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:15 pm 
 

For my first thread here on the metal-archives, I'd like to get the general opinion of Exodus' remake of Bonded by Blood. I searched and couldn't find another thread on this....

Personally, I really did not like it at all. The vocals completely ruined it for me.

So whats your opinion?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:32 pm 
 

modern production ruins it too, doesnt sound lightening fast like the original

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I would just pass it as a 'good' album, but nothing compared to the original masterpiece. In some places the vocals do try to sound a bit like Paul B, but would have to agree that I am not a fan of Dukes, give me Baloff(rip) or Souza any day. The production and instruments sound top notch and the music is still played very tight but it just does not compare with the original 'nasty' raw piece of work!

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Worthless album. There's just no reason for it to even exist.

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_Aargh wrote:
Worthless album. There's just no reason for it to even exist.


My feeling is the same, and I haven't even bothered to listen to it. I mean, I already have "Another Lesson in Violence" .. that recording, if not the original "Bonded by BLood", makes "Let there be BLood" nothing but a pointless cash-grab ... ALIV is pretty much "Bonded by BLood" (though I think one song is missing? Hm, which one is it now?) with a modern production, and with Paul Baloff singing almost better than he did on the album and with his hilarious between-song banter to boot.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:13 pm 
 

More of an embarrassment to Bauloff than a tribute. Vocals were bad, Modern production ruined it and the guitars sounded dull. Total annihilation of a classic.

Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:57 pm 
 

Vaibhavjain wrote:
Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.

While I feel that the nasty production it has now gives it a pretty cool atmosphere, I'd be, at the very least, interested in hearing the album with a "better" production. The same goes for Darkness Descends.

Let There Be Blood blows. I don't hate it on principle, but the modern production really fucks it up, this coming from a fan of "cleaner" productions. It completely killed the attitude and charm of the original.

I think I'll go delete it right now, actually.
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Vaibhavjain wrote:
Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.

It's not a rumor, it's being remastered by Power Play Records. Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords


As for Let There Be Blood, well, it sucks. It honestly sounds like a Pantera-worship band is doing playing bad Exodus covers.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:47 pm 
 

I honestly don't feel I need to check Let There Be Blood out at all. I have the original and that is just fine.

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The_Orphanizer wrote:
Vaibhavjain wrote:
Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.

While I feel that the nasty production it has now gives it a pretty cool atmosphere, I'd be, at the very least, interested in hearing the album with a "better" production. The same goes for Darkness Descends.



The same goes for all old school thrash records actually. The raw nasty production took the band to a whole new level all the time. This modern production sound does suit some genres though, like progressive and power metal, but certainly not thrash.
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Adriankat wrote:
Vaibhavjain wrote:
Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.

It's not a rumor, it's being remastered by Power Play Records. Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords


Thanks for the link. Just heard it. It's pretty good actually, but the new production has added the annoying reverb characteristic to the vocals, something I hated on BBB. Also, they label seem to have lowered the volume considerably :shock:
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:12 pm 
 

I think the re-recording is pretty good, but I still prefer the original. A lot of people knock Dukes' vocal style, but I think he has a great thrash voice. Also, a lot of people say the album sounds slower, but it really isn't. I think they did the re-recording in D, so the scale is lower, which makes it sound like it isn't as fast. We had the same problem when we wanted to cover 'Arise" which is in E. When we tried playing it in our tuning (D) it sounded slow, and then when we would speed it up to make up for it, it was sloppy because the song is so damn fast to begin with. People had the same remarks for Testament's First Strike Still Deadly because they did their old songs in Cb and they sounded slow with the lower tuning.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:17 pm 
 

I noticed that too (I didn't know the reason behind it though; thanks). People keep saying it's slower but it really isn't.
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I don't mind Rob Dukes vocals so I thought it was Okay. Still prefer the original though.
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_Aargh wrote:
Worthless album. There's just no reason for it to even exist.


I think Rob Dukes did a decent job on it, but the original recording with Baloff will always be better. The new recording just doesn't have the same vibe as the classic, and there is no need to record something so great a second time. To me, it's almost like saying that Baloff's performance wasn't up to par with the current standards of Exodus, so they recorded a new version with Dukes. It's also a cash-grab. Just my thoughts.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:11 pm 
 

The only real difference is the production, the guitar tuning and the vocals. I think if it had been recorded by another band as a tribute most people here wouldnt hate it as much. That being said the original is still better.

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Ritual_Suicide wrote:
I think if it had been recorded by another band as a tribute most people here wouldnt hate it as much.


Well, obviously; it wouldn't be nearly as pointless.
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Gary Holt needs to realize that Paul Baloff is the whole reason why BbB (and Exodus for that matter) is so legendary. Exodus should just pack up the crank pipes and call it a day.

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i liked it

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What bothers me is that they were going to do this with Baloff. When he died, Holt promised he wouldn't do the re-recording, so this really is a cash grab. Also, the only difference between Let There Be Blood and Another Lesson In Violence (besides the quality of the vocalists obviously) is that the solos use a different tone, as if they just used the guitar tone from ATIV and re-recorded the solos so Lee could be on it. I agree with Nolan_B (except that Baloff's vocals only contribute to half of BBB's thrashiness, the other half are the awesome riffs), all the best songs on Pleasures of the Flesh were written with Baloff anyway. Not only do I hate current state Exodus for the shitty music and vocalist, they're wasting Altus' time which could have been used on Heathen!
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TheFourHorsemen666 wrote:
What bothers me is that they were going to do this with Baloff. When he died, Holt promised he wouldn't do the re-recording, so this really is a cash grab. Also, the only difference between Let There Be Blood and Another Lesson In Violence (besides the quality of the vocalists obviously) is that the solos use a different tone, as if they just used the guitar tone from ATIV and re-recorded the solos so Lee could be on it. I agree with Nolan_B (except that Baloff's vocals only contribute to half of BBB's thrashiness, the other half are the awesome riffs), all the best songs on Pleasures of the Flesh were written with Baloff anyway. Not only do I hate current state Exodus for the shitty music and vocalist, they're wasting Altus' time which could have been used on Heathen!


took the word right out of my mouth. LTBB IS pretty much worthless with the original and ALIV (which doesn't have "Metal Command" for whoever was wondering above). however only LTBB has the track "Hell's Breath" which isn't worth the $20+ though.

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Adriankat wrote:
Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.

Back on-topic:
I didn't care for LTBB either, I suspect they did it for the same reason Sodom did The Final Sign of Evil - that they don't own the rights to the original?

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The_Orphanizer wrote:
Vaibhavjain wrote:
Rumors going around that Spectrum Of Death will be remastered as well. Hoping as fuck that it doesn't.

While I feel that the nasty production it has now gives it a pretty cool atmosphere, I'd be, at the very least, interested in hearing the album with a "better" production. The same goes for Darkness Descends.

Same here. I was thinking of checking out "Let there be blood", but obviosuly it's not worth it...

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Heard it. Expected it to be even worse than it actually was. Not bad... not bad. The music that is...Won't be playing it again since I see no reason...to listen to these mediocre vocals.

But not even close to the original. And for that matter, "Another Lesson In Violence" already did what this album tries....recapturing the old days with modern equipment and grown up dudes...

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Duffy wrote:
Adriankat wrote:
Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.

Back on-topic:
I didn't care for LTBB either, I suspect they did it for the same reason Sodom did The Final Sign of Evil - that they don't own the rights to the original?


Apparently they did it as a 'tribute to Baloff,' but obviously it was just a cash grab.

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Duffy wrote:
Adriankat wrote:
Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.


The "Spectrum of Death" reissue has already been out for some time.
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LordGothic wrote:
modern production ruins it too, doesnt sound lightening fast like the original


Exactly.. though I havent listenned to it but I checked a few tracks and it sounded too polished !!
Weird though.. I read a while ago that Gary Holt hated the production on the new Metallica so I was expecting something more raw and crucnhy.

The vocals turned out to be acceptable.. I thought Rob Dukes is gonna butcher it but he actually did a good job.
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dalecooper wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Adriankat wrote:
Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.


The "Spectrum of Death" reissue has already been out for some time.

I'd also like to point out that it's not remastered. Considering that the PP reissue has liner notes from the original producer, who has said that it was his finest work, I heavily doubt there will be a remaster.
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lowendmayhem wrote:
cash-grab


There really isn't much more to say.
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The guitars on Let There Be Blood sound fat and bloated. Much like the guitar production on Destruction's All Hell Breaks Loose and The Antichrist. This is really the only thing that annoys me about that album. Rob Duke is a bit more versatile than I originally thought and I think it works on this album. A little higher in pitch and wild yells as opposed to the nasty, nasally deep vocals he used on the previous albums with Exodus. I don't hate Rob Duke's vocals on principal and I don't hate a rerecording on that principal either. Let There Be Blood doesn't really bring anything to the table that hasn't been heard before, and since I don't really like Bonded By Blood much at all, there's nothing to be gained by this album other than just a common curiosity of what a classic album would sound like with a better production job. But in this case, the guitar tone was absolutely raped into oblivion.

It's an interesting listen for a one-through, but ultimately forgettable. The new song, 'Hell's Breath' isn't very interesting either.
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I think that re-recording is truly horrible. It reaches abysses of mediocrity.

The slick and sterile production, as well the lower tuning, really remove all traces of aggression and even if most song are played at the same tempo, it really gives the impression that they're played slower. 'And Then There Was None' is actually slower if I remember well, and that didn't work at all... Also, Piranha, once a fucking awesome thrasher, now sounds fucking dumb because of the downtuned guitars.

Really, what's the point of that abomination when you already have the original Bonded By Blood which was pefect and aslo Another Lesson in Violence?

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A good album, imho. If Bonded By Blood wouldn't have existed :)
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It was much better than I thought it would have been, but it's still basically crap. I think the biggest reason they did it (aside from cash) was to get the younger generation into older Exodus. Since modern-metal kids enjoy Shovel and Atrocity more than older shit, it was basically an attempt to re-package something old and "uncool" as trendy and modern. We can all probably expect re-recordings of Pleasures of the Flesh and Fabulous Disaster.

Let There Be Flesh?
Let There Be Disaster?

I still prefer Another Lesson In Violence to Bonded by Blood, though.
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I think the biggest reason they did it (aside from cash) was to get the younger generation into older Exodus. Since modern-metal kids enjoy Shovel and Atrocity more than older shit, it was basically an attempt to re-package something old and "uncool" as trendy and modern.

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the reason its crappier than bonded by blood is because of all the new age instruments (mainly drums). the only remake of an album that i love is Sodom's the Final Sign of Evil. They purposely hunted old equipment to make it sound like their original In The Sign of Evil ep. \m/
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Duffy wrote:
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Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.

Back on-topic:
I didn't care for LTBB either, I suspect they did it for the same reason Sodom did The Final Sign of Evil - that they don't own the rights to the original?


Oh God! Dude, get the album, not the re-issue, of Spectrum Of Death. It is single handedly the most brutal thrash album of all time and my personal favorite. And you just heard "Scars", wait till you hear tracks like "Assassin" !
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Vaibhavjain wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Adriankat wrote:
Check out Scars on the Power Play Myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/powerplayrecords

Holy crap! That's some brutal deaththrash, i'd never heard of Morbid Saint before - must get that when it's released.

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I didn't care for LTBB either, I suspect they did it for the same reason Sodom did The Final Sign of Evil - that they don't own the rights to the original?


Oh God! Dude, get the album, not the re-issue, of Spectrum Of Death. It is single handedly the most brutal thrash album of all time and my personal favorite. And you just heard "Scars", wait till you hear tracks like "Assassin" !

There's nothing wrong with the reissue. At least, not Power Play's reissue. They kept the production the same as the original 80s release to honor the producer's wishes. I have no idea what's up with the version of "Scars" on PP's myspace, but let me assure you that the actual album sounds just like the original issue, if not slightly louder (without losing the dynamic range).

Now to avoid turning this into a Morbid Saint worship thread...

Regardless of how well Rob Dukes performed on LTBB, he is not Paul Baloff. Dukes retains far too much control to try to match Baloff's over-the-top wailings. Even if he aped Baloff pitch for pitch, he wouldn't have the same energy behind it, and it would still be lame. In other words, this was doomed from the start.
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"Scars" is the better song on there. ;)
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