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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:33 pm 
 

I've heard of multiple genres with the funeral and brutal styles mixed into it (brutal death, funeral doom, funeral black, brutal black) but do you think it's ever possible to make funeral grindcore?

Just wondering what peoples views on this would be because i personally hate grindcore (exempt of caninus (which is more of a fun thing to listen to because they have two dogs for singers)). But i have heard slow paced grindcore (Gut, Cunt Caviar, some others) where it almost sound likes Jungle Rot. I know grindcore and funeral metal are opposites, but i feel like it is possible to make a fusion of it maybe.

Ataraxie mixes funeral doom with some fast paced death metal, so i dont know, i just want to hear other peoples views on this idea that just popped into my head

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LunarTower
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:44 pm 
 

Disembowelment.
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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:48 pm 
 

LunarTower wrote:
Disembowelment.


aren't they moreso death/doom influenced by grindcore though?
thats like saying if novembers doom played the same music they play now but they were influenced by grindcore when they wrote it

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LunarTower
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:50 pm 
 

It's as close as you're gonna get. Besides, Disembowelment played funeral doom parts back when people just considered that really slow Doom/Death.
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mano_color_arcilla
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:52 pm 
 

LunarTower wrote:
Disembowelment.


This. diSEMBOWELMENT contrasts slow, funeralish paced death/doom with faster, blasting grind sections, such as in their song "The Spirit in the Tall Hills."

Also to a lesser extent, Evoken. They're not quite funeral doom slow, and they're faster sections are more death than grind, but thought they might be worth a mention.

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Velociraptor
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:17 pm 
 

Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.

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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:57 pm 
 

Velociraptor wrote:
Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.


theyre listed as doom/death/goregrind, i havent heard their material myself, but i just feel, there is so much that is possible now. there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black. and a few years ago it was hard to even make something that was totally different from other music, and now people are finding new ways to reinvent music, its exciting

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Khull
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:35 pm 
 

Not to dissuade you in your search, but isn't funeral grind sort of paradoxical? I mean, grind is a genre that's characterized by extremely fast, chaotic like structure, whereas funeral doom (or any genre for that matter) is noted for its extremely slow and sluggish behavior?

The only band I can think of has been mentioned multiple times, Disembowelment. I'd be curious to know if anything else turned up.

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Misainzig
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:37 pm 
 

hateXforest wrote:
Velociraptor wrote:
Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.


theyre listed as doom/death/goregrind, i havent heard their material myself, but i just feel, there is so much that is possible now. there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black. and a few years ago it was hard to even make something that was totally different from other music, and now people are finding new ways to reinvent music, its exciting

If I remember right, there don't seem to be any really strong funeral elements in Septic Tomb.
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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:24 pm 
 

I think Septic tomb is just bedroom Goregrind with slower parts, but nothing like the brutal death/funeral doom/sludge advertised.

Try Skullhog, they play some down tempo goregrind (with faster stuff too, obviously), pretty sweet. Otherwise, mixing the brutality and speed of grindcore with the very slow tempi and atmosphere of Funeral Doom sounds difficult.
Ah, Ataraxie mixes some very slow funeral doom (while staying rather "brutal" in some aspects) with very fast brutal death metal parts. They also have the characteristic of playing some slow riffs under fast blast beats, which is pretty cool.

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MercyfulSatyr
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:01 pm 
 

Velociraptor wrote:
Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:28 pm 
 

MercyfulSatyr wrote:
Velociraptor wrote:
Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.


Noktorn.

Haha, I've had his Sewearth EP on my computer for months now, and I still haven't gotten around to listening to it yet. I might break it out this weekend though, as I am somewhat curious.

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WinterBliss
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:09 pm 
 

hippiedrow wrote:
MercyfulSatyr wrote:
Velociraptor wrote:
Septic Tomb may go under what you're thinking of. I think the person in it posts on MA, I don't remember who it is though.


Noktorn.

Haha, I've had his Sewearth EP on my computer for months now, and I still haven't gotten around to listening to it yet. I might break it out this weekend though, as I am somewhat curious.


Programmed drums really ruined it for me, not to say it had much going otherwise.
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MortalScum
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:14 pm 
 

hateXforest wrote:
there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black.

Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:43 pm 
 

LunarTower wrote:
Disembowelment.
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hateXforest
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:11 am 
 

MortalScum wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black.

Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!



Yea, the only band on the archives listed as funeral folk though is Grívf...i have to listen to them, see what theyre like.

Guahaihoque is another awesome band, its brutal/extreme folk metal

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mano_color_arcilla
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:35 am 
 

hateXforest wrote:
MortalScum wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black.

Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!



Yea, the only band on the archives listed as funeral folk though is Grívf...i have to listen to them, see what theyre like.

Guahaihoque is another awesome band, its brutal/extreme folk metal



Not quite funeral, but Uaral combines folk with slow, sometimes deathish doom.

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WebOfPiss
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:02 am 
 

MortalScum wrote:
Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!
Indeed it is if you enjoy shoving roses down your urethra!

Seriously, that's one of the worst ideas I've heard as of late.

At the OP, the closest you'll find is Disembowelment.

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mano_color_arcilla
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:10 am 
 

WebOfPiss wrote:
MortalScum wrote:
Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!
Indeed it is if you enjoy shoving roses down your urethra!


Never pegged Albert Fish as a folk nor funeral doom fan.

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necropsyunit
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:23 pm 
 

and how about symphonic grind disco thrash?

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Snarf
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:51 pm 
 

MortalScum wrote:
hateXforest wrote:
there is funeral folk, brutal folk, funeral black, brutal black.

Funeral Folk... that sounds like a good idea!


http://www.last.fm/music/%D0%92%D0%BE+% ... 1%8F%D1%85

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AurvandiL
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:55 pm 
 

Grívf

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balbulus
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:59 pm 
 

Lord Of Putrefaction (pre-Electric Wizard) had a gnarly grind feel to them.

I've always thought it strange that Grindcore has come to be associated with speed, when Mick Harris originally used the term to refer to the slow crushing riffs of Swans etc. The term fits this style better than the fast stuff. "Grind" evokes images of tectonic plates grinding together, or glaciers grinding rock.

The term became a couple of steps removed from its original meaning; i.e. Napalm used it to describe their slower parts, and since everyone else associated Napalm more with faster stuff, that's what the term came to define.
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Satanic_Shoe
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:43 pm 
 

balbulus wrote:
Lord Of Putrefaction (pre-Electric Wizard) had a gnarly grind feel to them.

I've always thought it strange that Grindcore has come to be associated with speed, when Mick Harris originally used the term to refer to the slow crushing riffs of Swans etc. The term fits this style better than the fast stuff. "Grind" evokes images of tectonic plates grinding together, or glaciers grinding rock.


A lot of sludge (Noothgrush, Cruevo, Goatsblood, Tusks of Blood, etc.) is like that. Really slow, crunchy music that sounds like it's grinding against your psyche.

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Noktorn
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:10 pm 
 

I was sort of trying to go for a funeral/goregrind thing with Septic Tomb but it ended up being more death/grind with gore vocals and some droning sludge parts. Maybe applicable to what you're looking for but probably not the precise sound you want.
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DiurnoCulto
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:44 am 
 

Fast forward your funeral doom. Seems like a simple enough solution.

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