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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:47 pm 
 

That's easy: Never too old.
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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:14 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
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I already have most of that shit, just not a bulb or glass or any good way to mount the thing or time it well.
i know how to print, I just don't have the shit I need + got tired of being broke for so long that I just totally lost interest in getting the stuff for making prints at home.

I mean, I would want to if I had a burning station (which is easy to build, yeah), but i can't be arsed to fuck with obtaining these things anymore.
I also don't have a (good) method for printing transparencies (those at-home printer ones are total garbage. I've only ever gotten good copies witha xerox machine, and I also can't can't be arsed to go to a copy shop).

I already have a screen and inks and emulsion and blah blah blah, though.

My dreams of running an in-home printing mini-business died ages ago. I work too much for too little money to want to invest in something I don't expect to make a revenue from (I'd only be doing one-off patches for myself, really).

Thanks for the suggestion, anyway. the patch you made turned out nice.



Ah I see. Well if you ever decide you have the time, looks like it wouldn't be too hard

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g_k
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:40 pm 
 

gojira666 wrote:
Hey guys long time away from the forum, but recently my son has gotten the metal bug and has decide to create his own metal vest. I have been a long time metal fan myself however I have never had the pleasure of owning a vest of my own. My son wants me to join him in his endeavor but I was wondering what's too old to wear a vest?

Thanks in advance



as previously mentioned, you are NEVER too old!
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halfformedfetus
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
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Im making a new vest at the moment! il post pics in the upcoming weeks once I can get it started! very excited!!

Sweet man, do you have a list of the patches? I just got 2 new ones yesterday (Kylesa and Blood Ceremony + 1 a Kylesa pin), I'll also make a new vest soon, it's gonna be classy!


I dont have a list sorry tony, but i will upload pics very soon! its a work in progress! is yours in progress?

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Metantoine
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:25 pm 
 

Not yet, I need to buy the fabric. It's gonna be black with red silk in the inside! I posted a list some pages ago, but here it is again. I'll order some others too including 1 or 2 backpatches (I'm thinking of Gris' logo)

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Ares Kingdom
Archgoat LOGO
Black Witchery DEMONS LOGO
Blood Ceremony LOGO
Bolt Thrower LOGO
Bound by Entrails
Bongripper LOGO
Castle LOGO
Cathedral FOE BACKPATCH
The Chasm - LOGO
Damnations Hammer - logo, skull and shit
Deceased - As the Weird Travel On
Darkthrone - FOAD
The Gates of Slumber - hymns of blood and thunder
Ghost first album
Hammers of Misfortune LOGO
Holy Martyr LOGO
Ignivomous LOGO BACKPATCH
King Diamond - Them
Kylesa - Army
Natur - red Logo
Razorwyre (x2)
Reverend Bizarre golden logo
Rush - AFTK
Saxon - Lionheart
Watain
Wormrot - Dirge
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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:53 am 
 

gojira666 wrote:
Hey guys long time away from the forum, but recently my son has gotten the metal bug and has decide to create his own metal vest. I have been a long time metal fan myself however I have never had the pleasure of owning a vest of my own. My son wants me to join him in his endeavor but I was wondering what's too old to wear a vest?

Thanks in advance


"Hey, guys, I have this friend who..."

what Metantoine said. You're never too old for people around you to look at you and think you're white trash.
and they do. but why should I (er, you) care? :grumble:
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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:06 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
REAL men do it without safety pins. :metal:


except over pockets. pockets are fucking hard.


I used safety pins to hold em on, haven't taken then off due to laziness.

It's a pretty Zen activity.

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Rex Maskimus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:45 pm 
 

AsinineUsername wrote:
the_raytownian wrote:
REAL men do it without safety pins. :metal:


except over pockets. pockets are fucking hard.


I used safety pins to hold em on, haven't taken then off due to laziness.

It's a pretty Zen activity.


I also hear real men have it done by their mothers, so it's no big deal really.

but yeah, useful for the impatient bloke to just tack the backpatch and wear it until all the dirty mod work is taken care of.
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Rex Maskimus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:47 pm 
 

Also, here's how my jacket is doing since last time. I wanted to wait until I had painted over my leather shoulder piece, but my printer decided I'm not going to make clean work with a stencil right away. So whatever.

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It's kind of on hold lately. I'm keeping my patches to the side until who knows when.
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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:14 pm 
 

[/quote] I also hear real men have it done by their mothers.[/quote]


No fucking way.

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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:18 pm 
 

Well, if this thread's any indication... :lol:
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the_raytownian
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:39 pm 
 

Necroghast wrote:
the_raytownian wrote:
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I already have most of that shit, just not a bulb or glass or any good way to mount the thing or time it well.
i know how to print, I just don't have the shit I need + got tired of being broke for so long that I just totally lost interest in getting the stuff for making prints at home.

I mean, I would want to if I had a burning station (which is easy to build, yeah), but i can't be arsed to fuck with obtaining these things anymore.
I also don't have a (good) method for printing transparencies (those at-home printer ones are total garbage. I've only ever gotten good copies witha xerox machine, and I also can't can't be arsed to go to a copy shop).

I already have a screen and inks and emulsion and blah blah blah, though.

My dreams of running an in-home printing mini-business died ages ago. I work too much for too little money to want to invest in something I don't expect to make a revenue from (I'd only be doing one-off patches for myself, really).

Thanks for the suggestion, anyway. the patch you made turned out nice.



Ah I see. Well if you ever decide you have the time, looks like it wouldn't be too hard


Yeah. To be honest, the more I think about it since your post, the more I think I might want to attempt getting the necessary supplies again. Now that I have a job (despite how shittily it pays), I could at least afford to buy stuff now...

*shrug* Maybe I'll do it after all... though I will say I *really* wish I could save up enough to afford an embroidery machine!
those things are so, so far out of my budget, though... and even attempting to recoup my costs by selling patches is just too much time I don't really have + there's too much stress in dealing with mail order biz on top of another full-time job.
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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:15 pm 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
Well, if this thread's any indication... :lol:



God, I can hear it now: "Who in the fuck are Hellhammer? That boy ain't right".

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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:39 pm 
 

Heres mine so far, far from finished and this layout is totally random (except for the three in the middle)
Image

I'm sticking with a color scheme (mostly white, some blue) and a theme (various kinds of atmospheric/progressive/whatever BM)

Everything but the Woods of Desolation one and the Obsidian Tongue one I printed myself. Here's my full list:

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Have:
Woods of Desolation
Winterfylleth
Ash Borer
Autolatry
A Forest of Stars
Arsaidh
Cnoc An Tursa
Obsidian Tongue
Askival
Wodensthrone

Will have:
Fen
Altar of Plagues
Austere
Gris
Infera Bruo
Sombres Forets
Negura Bunget
Cormorant
Lantlos
Amesoeurs
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analog_winter
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 4:50 pm 
 

Necroghast wrote:
Heres mine so far, far from finished and this layout is totally random (except for the three in the middle)
Image

I'm sticking with a color scheme (mostly white, some blue) and a theme (various kinds of atmospheric/progressive/whatever BM)

Everything but the Woods of Desolation one and the Obsidian Tongue one I printed myself. Here's my full list:



This looks really cool, I love the big Ash Borer logo. Definitely post pics when it's done!
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halfformedfetus
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:27 pm 
 

Here is the new vest i am working on! only have the back done at the moment need more patches! ha ha i have two being custom made for me now, a Captain Cleanoff patch and a Dahmer patch!
i was really tempted to cut up my Captain Cleanoff shirt and use it as a backpatch but, the ExT was to cool

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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:35 am 
 

analog_winter wrote:

This looks really cool, I love the big Ash Borer logo. Definitely post pics when it's done!


Thanks I definitely will!

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phantaz
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:41 pm 
 

Necroghast wrote:
Everything but the Woods of Desolation one and the Obsidian Tongue one I printed myself.


Hey, mate. May I ask you how do you print them, please? Do you stencil them?
Thanks in advance :)
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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:50 pm 
 

Double post


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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:07 pm 
 

phantaz wrote:
Necroghast wrote:
Everything but the Woods of Desolation one and the Obsidian Tongue one I printed myself.


Hey, mate. May I ask you how do you print them, please? Do you stencil them?
Thanks in advance :)


If you look on the previous page I wrote a short explanation on how to do it, but if you'd like a longer description just send me a PM and I'd be happy to go into more detail!

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phantaz
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:56 am 
 

Necroghast wrote:
If you look on the previous page I wrote a short explanation on how to do it, but if you'd like a longer description just send me a PM and I'd be happy to go into more detail!


Just saw it, thanks :D
I think it will do for now eheheh
I'll see if I have the courage to engage in such a task :D
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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:42 am 
 

It's actually really easy, the hardest part it probably just gathering all the materials haha.

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thrashmaniac87
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:20 am 
 

Here's the backside of these sexy beasts.
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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:57 pm 
 

Image

Now I just need to find a "Scum" backpatch.

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analog_winter
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:00 pm 
 

Nice, I like the look of the camo jacket. My uncle gave me his old basic training jacket, but I wouldn't put patches on it, it's a winter coat anyways. If I found a cheap one at a thrift store that I liked I'd probably pick it up.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:41 am 
 

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KolmeNoitaa
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:19 am 
 

Some of these look pretty great.

I lack the proper amount of money and tools to make a battle jacket for myself. Though, the one I've created in my head is pretty spectacular.
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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:25 am 
 

KolmeNoitaa wrote:
Some of these look pretty great.

I lack the proper amount of money and tools to make a battle jacket for myself. Though, the one I've created in my head is pretty spectacular.


It's definitely something to do slowly, just scour thrift shops for a jacket when you have the time and buy a patch here or there at shows.

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AsinineUsername
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:59 am 
 

KolmeNoitaa wrote:
Some of these look pretty great.

I lack the proper amount of money and tools to make a battle jacket for myself. Though, the one I've created in my head is pretty spectacular.



Little tip: use dental floss, not embroidery thread. It's stronger and you can burn one end to make a knob instead of trying to tie a knot. As for a jacket, just go to any western wear type store and they usually have denim jackets. Then you just cut the sleeves off.

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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:18 am 
 

AsinineUsername wrote:

Little tip: use dental floss, not embroidery thread.


And your jacket will smell minty fresh.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:32 am 
 

Obviously.

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Zodijackyl
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KolmeNoitaa wrote:
Some of these look pretty great.

I lack the proper amount of money and tools to make a battle jacket for myself. Though, the one I've created in my head is pretty spectacular.


Tools? Uh, you either need a needle and thread if you want to sew patches on, or a bit of paint or some markers if you want to draw on one. Don't just plaster on patches to attempt to "complete" a vest, it should be something that you build over time. Don't add any patch you come across for the number of patches, make it mean something. I had a single patch on my vest for quite a while, I'm certainly more of a veteran than all the thrash kids with a messy collage of patches, and there is still plenty of space on my vest.

Find a jacket or vest that you like and slowly add to it over time. There are some great vests and jackets that hold nothing more than a back patch of a favorite band, made from an old shirt. Make it with pride and meaning. Don't go on an ebay spending spree and turn yourself into a Christmas tree covered in bargain bin ornaments.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:40 pm 
 

Any ideas how to get rid of the remnants of iron-on patches that have been removed?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:39 pm 
 

Bought a denim jacket last wednesday and some patches. Ordered a nice Anthrax backpatch. Can't wait to get it. But I don't know yet if I'm going to use this jacket. I bought it a bit too big I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:20 pm 
 

Found another vest pretty cheap today and picked it up. Not sure what patches I'm gonna put on it yet, but I'll figure that out later.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:56 am 
 

I cut off the sleeves and now I can clearly see it's too big for me.

Does anyone has experience with the vests of NuclearBlast.de?
http://www.nuclearblast.de/en/products/ ... ashed.html

Quality etc? It says ''Falls gross aus'' (I know what it means, but don't know how to translate in english. It means the sizes are larger than they say. M is bigger than a normal M for example) but in what degree? Normally I wear M. So should I buy an S?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:32 pm 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
KolmeNoitaa wrote:
Some of these look pretty great.

I lack the proper amount of money and tools to make a battle jacket for myself. Though, the one I've created in my head is pretty spectacular.


Tools? Uh, you either need a needle and thread if you want to sew patches on, or a bit of paint or some markers if you want to draw on one. Don't just plaster on patches to attempt to "complete" a vest, it should be something that you build over time. Don't add any patch you come across for the number of patches, make it mean something. I had a single patch on my vest for quite a while, I'm certainly more of a veteran than all the thrash kids with a messy collage of patches, and there is still plenty of space on my vest.

Find a jacket or vest that you like and slowly add to it over time. There are some great vests and jackets that hold nothing more than a back patch of a favorite band, made from an old shirt. Make it with pride and meaning. Don't go on an ebay spending spree and turn yourself into a Christmas tree covered in bargain bin ornaments.

I don't live in an area with many thrift shops, unfortunately. And at the moment, financially, I need to focus on buying things I need to survive (food, soap, and coca-cola of course), though for the most part, I know the basics to build a jacket. It's frustrating though because I wouldn't design something that isn't up to my standards of perfection. Even if I had the money and endless resources to begin my jacket, I know I'd lose interest quickly (and my sewing abilities are less than satisfactory).
I'm going to put a 10-year construction allotment time on this project...

(and thanks for the tips, of course)
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inhumanist wrote:
Any ideas how to get rid of the remnants of iron-on patches that have been removed?


Put a patch over it! :thumbsup:
Useless advice, but I think it works... Or just learn to appreciate the character it adds to your jacket.

I've never attempted it, buy maybe you can put an iron on the glue and then try to scrub it up with a damp towel or a rough sponge while it's still tacky from the iron. Something to try, anyway.
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RE: Dental floss. No thanks. You can get high quality, thick, synthetic (read: meltable) thread dirt cheap... Like, probably for what you'd pay to buy dental floss... and without the gross, waxy residue.

This ain't 1980, and I don't think any of us are living in a slum. Dental floss as an alternative to an actual good, quality thread is really pointless and absurd in this day and age, plus it reeks of so much phony Punk posturing (and mint). Seriously, go to any craft/fabrics store. Thread is cheap! It's really not even worth whatever pennies you'd maybe save using dental floss.

I mean, floss might be cheaper/better value if you get your crappy thread from the ridiculously limited selection available at Wal-Mart, but an actual fabrics store has an incredibly wide variety of threads in all types and price ranges, and none of them have waxy coatings on them...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:02 pm 
 

:-D I would like a vest but i dont know how to sew. Would krazyglue work?

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Necroghast
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:28 pm 
 

Honestly, sewing is one of the easiest things you can possibly do. Just pin the patch on and go in and out with a needle and thread all the way around.

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