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Star-Gazer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:08 pm 
 

Thundersteel = 79? WTF???
Crystal Logic = 16 :nono:
no Malice - In The Beginning...?
no Iced Earth? (yes, they are heavy metal much of the time)
Manowar so low?
need more Ozzy

I probably shouldnt bitch since I had no idea this was even going on - but poop!

looks like I am going to have to find out who Slauter Xstroyes and Adramelch are - I have to admit my ignorance on them (plus my failure to procure anything by The Lord Weird Slough Feg, Acid, Crimson Glory, Brocas Helm, and a couple of the NWOBHM that I really do love, but need to keep digging into), but it looks like I have everything else covered


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schwuppe
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:14 pm 
 

Nolan_B wrote:
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Yep, but his list is remarkable.

Why?
It seems he got a varied taste.


It's because, it is nearly exactly what I would post. Except with INRI at number 1.

I didn't realize that you meant that in a positive sense.

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DrommerOmDod
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:22 pm 
 

All stuff we probably all expected, but I think these are damn good results anyway. Nice to see some Slough Feg and Satan in there.
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einvolk wrote:
Thundersteel = 79? WTF???
Crystal Logic = 16 :nono:


Thank you for pointing this out, didnt even notice. Thundersteel at 79 is really a crime against humanity. Thats such a classic album too, should be somewhere in the top 20 at least or even higher. Crystal Logic at number 16 was a rather pleasant surprise, its so underrated that I thought it would be much lower. It seems that almost everyone I know hates Mark Shelton's vocals.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:26 pm 
 

Very nice.
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trueMunchies
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:37 pm 
 

Only 46 votes?

And Metal Church at 55?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:44 pm 
 

Isn't Riot one of the few 70s bands that didn't release shitty material, split-up, or get a crappy vocalist in the 90s?

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HeavyMetalSteve
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:27 pm 
 

Ribos wrote:
For the record, I didn't vote for the early Sabbath albums because I wasn't sure if they really counted as "Heavy Metal," because while they are certainly HEAVY, I have them listed as Doom Metal in Winamp. Counting them, though, I would have bumped the debut up quite a bit. Just saying.


I didn't vote for the early Sabbath albums for the same reason. Though I did vote for a Witchfinder General album but they were a NWOBHM band too.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:56 pm 
 

Powerslave taking the top spot doesn't piss me off too much, but I'm seriously the only one that voted Melissa for the top spot? It still got second place, which is rightfully deserved, but still.

The thing is that it's hard to get straight heavy metal, and so I had a lot of speed metal in mine as well. If I thought that it leaned more towards power or thrash, I didn't include it, hence the omission of classics like Painkiller and Walls of Jericho on my list. Same deal with Sabbath, the Ozzy era was far doomier than the Dio era, so I stuck with that. Also, not a single one of my albums was a one voter! I'm such a conformist!

Also, for some reason, I was really worried that Diamond Head was going to be overlooked. Props to Aargh and aag for recognizing the brilliance that is Cloven Hoof!
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Dechripastocide wrote:
Isn't Riot one of the few 70s bands that didn't release shitty material, split-up, or get a crappy vocalist in the 90s?

They split up in the mid 80s and the reformed in the late 80s with a completely different line-up, I believe.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:59 pm 
 

If I hadn't gone with Mercyful Fate's first EP for the top spot, I would've put Melissa there instead. I did a bit of compromise with some albums, putting them lower and higher depending on how high I put another by the same artist, and so forth...
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CrimsonPower wrote:
einvolk wrote:
Thundersteel = 79? WTF???
Crystal Logic = 16 :nono:


Thank you for pointing this out, didnt even notice. Thundersteel at 79 is really a crime against humanity. Thats such a classic album too, should be somewhere in the top 20 at least or even higher. Crystal Logic at number 16 was a rather pleasant surprise, its so underrated that I thought it would be much lower. It seems that almost everyone I know hates Mark Shelton's vocals.


Well it's really more of a power metal album (Thundersteel, I mean), so that may have detered some from including it.

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Star-Gazer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:00 pm 
 

trueMunchies wrote:
And Metal Church at 55?
oh damn!
I forgot to mention that travesty! ONE VOTE for Hanging in the Balance? aahhhhh!

-and-

Grave Digger at 100

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:02 pm 
 

I'm glad Iced Earth didn't get votes. I mean, sure the list is filled up with Maiden and Priest, but that's way better than bottom-of-the-barrel pandering like IE. Miles and miles better. Seriously.
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einvolk wrote:
Grave Digger at 100

Absolute travesty, although I only voted for Rheingold.
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Star-Gazer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:04 pm 
 

CrimsonPower wrote:
einvolk wrote:
Thundersteel = 79? WTF???
Crystal Logic = 16 :nono:


Crystal Logic at number 16 was a rather pleasant surprise, its so underrated that I thought it would be much lower. It seems that almost everyone I know hates Mark Shelton's vocals.
his voice reminds my wife of Evil Betty

but Crystal Logic is for sure a top 10 album of all time across all genres for me

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:04 pm 
 

Damn, I should have voted. I'm disappointed to see Saxon albums so low.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:05 pm 
 

Grave Digger aren't good enough to be on a Best Heavy Metal albums survey, even though I do love them a lot. Reading through the list, this is actually a great list and includes many works that are vital to any metalhead's collection. Good job, guys.
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Star-Gazer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:05 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
I'm glad Iced Earth didn't get votes. I mean, sure the list is filled up with Maiden and Priest, but that's way better than bottom-of-the-barrel pandering like IE. Miles and miles better. Seriously.
Night of the Stormrider!!!!

and Grave Digger - Rheingold is more enjoyable to me than most of the albums listed here


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einvolk wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
I'm glad Iced Earth didn't get votes. I mean, sure the list is filled up with Maiden and Priest, but that's way better than bottom-of-the-barrel pandering like IE. Miles and miles better. Seriously.
Night of the Stormrider!!!!


...is lame.

But yeah, I don't like it much.

Only real what the fuck is Balls to Picasso. I don't hate the album, but I cannot come up with a response to exactly how weird it is seeing it lumped in there with all these classic styled albums. I mean...what?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:09 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Only real what the fuck is Balls to Picasso. I don't hate the album, but I cannot come up with a response to exactly how weird it is seeing it lumped in there with all these classic styled albums. I mean...what?
true, at least Chemical Wedding was higher, but still, to me Balls... is a lot of filler

also, glad to see Dio era Black Sabbath above Ozzy era, though I wuld have liked to see more Ozzy solo stuff represented on there


sorry for keeping this up - I really shouldnt say anything since I didnt participate, but I am just surprised for some apparent "misses"

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:31 pm 
 

einvolk wrote:
I forgot to mention that travesty! ONE VOTE for Hanging in the Balance?

I can't believe I was the only person who thought about that album.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:40 pm 
 

RageW wrote:
einvolk wrote:
I forgot to mention that travesty! ONE VOTE for Hanging in the Balance?

I can't believe I was the only person who thought about that album.
ummm....your name just reminded me of another band strangely missing from the list!

now my brain hurts

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:08 pm 
 

I know how you feel, einvolk. Wish I hadn't missed this.

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ThrashingMad
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einvolk wrote:
RageW wrote:
einvolk wrote:
I forgot to mention that travesty! ONE VOTE for Hanging in the Balance?

I can't believe I was the only person who thought about that album.
ummm....your name just reminded me of another band strangely missing from the list!

now my brain hurts


Again, quite a few of these bands you're mentioning are more power/speed bands than anything.

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UtUmNo1
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:48 am 
 

greysnow wrote:
I'm sorry, but there's a mistake. At least two people (Avaitor and myself) nominated Piece of Mind, yet you have it among the single-vote albums.

Edit: five people at least.

Edit 2: How did you determine the relative rank among these three albums?

85) 20 - (0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0) "Transcendence" - Crimson Glory
86) 20 - (0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0) "Dehumanizer" - Black Sabbath
87) 20 - (0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-1-0) "Balls to Picasso" - Bruce Dickinson

It looks as if they got exactly the same votes, so why is Transcendence on 85) and Balls to Picasso on 87)?


Piece of Mind is at no. 25. I'll double check to see I didn't miss a vote.

As for the three you mentioned; I wasn't that concerned, being so far down the list, whether one album was in front of the other.

Call them =85th if it pleases you.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:49 am 
 

ThrashingMad wrote:
Again, quite a few of these bands you're mentioning are more power/speed bands than anything.
I guess thats the side of heavy metal that I like, but I think all I have mentioned are enough traditional/classic heavy metal to qualify (yes with plenty of speed/power qualities, though)

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I'm sad to see no one else loved "Accident of Birth" by Bruce Dickinson or "Thunder in the East" by Loudnes....

I'm also surprised to see "kings of Metal" higher than "Hail to England"


But what you gonna do...

Overall though, it's a solid list. I obviously love "Powerslave" at #1.
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It's a pity I didn't have time to enter. Good results, although Angel Witch should have rated better and Painkiller needs to be about ten places higher. To be honest I find some of the more recent Maiden albums a more enjoyable listen than the classic ones. Don't hate me for that, as I like them all and spent actual money on buying every one of them.
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ENKC wrote:
It's a pity I didn't have time to enter. Good results, although Angel Witch should have rated better and Painkiller needs to be about ten places higher. To be honest I find some of the more recent Maiden albums a more enjoyable listen than the classic ones. Don't hate me for that, as I like them all and spent actual money on buying every one of them.


I actually don't really like Angel Witch. It's just too gay and wimpy.

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UtUmNo1
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greysnow wrote:
I'm sorry, but there's a mistake. At least two people (Avaitor and myself) nominated Piece of Mind, yet you have it among the single-vote albums.

Edit: five people at least.


I triple checked and missed one vote for Piece Of Mind. The correction sees it move from 25th to 19th and from 123 points to 152.

If there are any other queries I'd be more than happy to check the results.

And as Nolan_B suggested, if there is interest in a survey of albums of all genres, I'd happily take on the task.

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I stayed out of this because I don't consider myself too knowledgable in heavy metal, I am more of a thrash metal/death metal guy. But seeing the results, maybe I should have voted after all because the top 25 is none too different from what I would have voted for. Big names dominating the list, with only a scattering of obscure picks here and there. Bad, because I had hoped this might provide me an easy alternative to reading through the heavy/power/speed thread. :lol:

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einvolk wrote:
looks like I am going to have to find out who Slauter Xstroyes and Adramelch are


You'd being doing yourself a favor, seriously.
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I put Piece of Mind at number three...hm.

Slauter Xstroyes are cool, although they have elements of Power and Prog too.
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I'd hoped that Indestroy would have fared better, but I didn't expect anything else. I'll admit that no other votes for Tygers of Pan Tang surprised me though.

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Nolan_B wrote:
schwuppe wrote:
Nolan_B wrote:
Yep, but his list is remarkable.

Why?
It seems he got a varied taste.


It's because, it is nearly exactly what I would post. Except with INRI at number 1.

thanks :beer: sorry i did get confused!! ,,, didn't know my list would cause such an uproar ,, didn't mean to fuck things up for the rest of you i just thought we were voting for the greatest metal albums of all time and while most people like to use the endlessssssssssss genre card ; i just thought these are my favorites so i'll put it up there ,,,, if i had to do another like this i would have stayed out.... metal is fucking metal to me people be it THE GODFATHERS (BLACK SABBATH) or the bastard children (SARCOFAGO<<REPULSION<<<CELTIC FROST,PUNGENT STENCH ,,, i find the albums in my list to be the greatest metal albums of all time ,,,,, i just don't like to put shit in a genre ,,,,,, once again sorry but i'm sticking to my :guns: Here!!!!!!!!!!
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Gothus wrote:
Goddamn it, am I the only one who voted for Tarot? :nono:

Heh, I should of voted for them, too. Great stuff, even their newer stuff. Marco and co rule.

Empyreal wrote:
Only real what the fuck is Balls to Picasso. I don't hate the album, but I cannot come up with a response to exactly how weird it is seeing it lumped in there with all these classic styled albums. I mean...what?

"Tears of the Dragon" justified my vote, plus, as a Maiden fanboy, I had to give Bruce's solo career some love, right?

Overall, this is a really good list. I especially like it since, as sacrilege as it sounds, the early/NWOBHM/early power metal scene is my favorite type of music, even over the death stuff. I find Powersalve to be Maiden's strongest, so I'm happy to see it take #1, and I generally agree with most other listings. The only thing I'd really do is switch Melissa with Don't Break the Oath, and give Scorpions some more love, but I'm generally happy here.

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Why are there certain users listed with their results list? Is it because their opinions matter most? Just curious about how that system works.

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marktheviktor wrote:
Why are there certain users listed with their results list? Is it because their opinions matter most? Just curious about how that system works.

In the OP, it says there were 46 votes cast. Under that, I see 46 user lists. You do the math.
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Misainzig wrote:
marktheviktor wrote:
Why are there certain users listed with their results list? Is it because their opinions matter most? Just curious about how that system works.

In the OP, it says there were 46 votes cast. Under that, I see 46 user lists. You do the math.


Yeah, but was it like an electoral system where certain users represent a body of voters or was it an open system?

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