I've heard this term a lot, but never really understood it. From what I understand, the only difference is that "raw" equals "shitty production values".
Can someone please explain?
Thanks.

That, and guitar tone.

A band sounding like Dimmu or Wolven Ancestry wouldnt necessarily be "raw" if all that was different about their recordings was having shitty production. Nah mean?

Vlad Tepes or Warloghe are great examples of raw.


And watch out. The thread lock happy mods will get their panties in a bunch for this not being in the designated bm help thread.

I’ve always considered “raw” black metal to be black metal with:

- poor production (which can be a good thing, as it can create a great atmosphere if done correctly)
- a lack of “symphonic” elements like liberal synthesizer use, female vocals, violins, etc.

That, and as was previously said, guitar tone. The fuzzier the sound, the rawer the black metal is basically. It obviously has to be traditional BM with no exterior elements (except maybe in the album intro/outro).

The term is used WAY too much. MaDTransilvanian is correct.

Would Forest of Fog be considered on the rawish side?

I took a listen to the songs on their/his Myspace and I wouldnt say so. I wouldnt expect anything very raw at all from a guy who plays in Eluveitie. I kinda liked what I heard though.

Huh...Since when have wolven ancestry used good production? I always found their guitar tone to be quite raw and 'fuzzy'.

No, since the BM help thread is no longer in existence.

But they might lock it, and rightfully so, for this same exact topic has been done quite a few times already. For example...

http://www.metal-archives.com/board/vie ... p?p=928700

Thanks all

Why did the BM help thread get removed?

What thats a damn shame... those threads were very helpful.

I concur.

yes WHY did the Black and Death metal help threads get removed?

They just disappeared due to the site crash. The mods did not decided to delete those threads.

excellent so the idea of a resurrection would be frowned upon or....???

I wouldn't say it's based on guitar tone or production all the time. I'd consider Behexen (at least before the last full length) to be raw black metal, and they had a good production and non-fuzzy tone.

raw black metal is more thrashy
and dosent stop for breaks or breakdowns
it dosent start or stop in a slow man either

its a lot of double bass
cymbal crashes
and snare hits
along with that black metal guitar sound we love
playing over and over the same simple tune
and black metal vocals

tada raw black metal

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the later Antaeus "Blood Libels" has a great prod. and I consider it raw as fuck, but I might be wrong...

I'd also consider this raw black metal.

You obviously don't know anything about raw black metal. There is much better structured black metal than the average Darkthrone worship band.

btw. You're christian, what would you know?

What a nice little troll/idiot we're picked up here in that little christian boy.

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The raw black metal is -in one word- a use of distorted guitars many riffs an atmospheric ambient and many bands decide don't use Vocals like The Rusting Of The Leaves

When I think of raw black metal, Antaeus comes to mind. Pure power chords and boookoo distortion. I love me some raw black metal sound.

So, it seems that Antaeus is indeed raw BM, and has great prod values, so I think that raw BM has to do with the intensity of the music, hateful atmosphere, not use of other instruments but the tipical guitar, bass and drums, and of course, no melodic elements, or at least not constant use of catchy moments, am I far from the definition?

Indeed. There isn't a morsel of melody to be found in Antaeus' music or many bands of those sorts to qualify.

Katharsis is another great example of raw black metal.

The best example of raw black metal is maniac butcher. The production si nso shitty you cant hear anything over the muck.

But they are really good.

Wait, are you saying Maniac Butcher have shitty production? I have all their albums and even the debut (Barbarians) has good production for such an underground band.