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Mike_64
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:26 am 
 

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/exodus ... d-to-make/

New Exodus album!!!

Called Blood in, Blood out.

out October 25th possibly.

Zetro is back.

Me is excited :-D

Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:01 am 
 

That's got to be one of the most self-referential titles this side of Manowar. It manages to reference their old history and recent developments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:31 am 
 

Blood In, Blood Out is a good movie, let's hope it makes for a good album.

I still hope this doesn't end Hatriot...I was really enjoying that project for what it was.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:50 am 
 

I was hoping for a Tenet reunion myself. Still, excited for this if only to hear new Exodus material with Zetro singing again.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 4:45 am 
 

Didn't expect this news. Exodus were becoming a little repetitive with Dukes so let's hope this is a much needed change.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:41 am 
 

ENKC wrote:
That's got to be one of the most self-referential titles this side of Manowar. It manages to reference their old history and recent developments.


if thats the case they should've just named it "Zetro in, Dukes out"
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 7:38 am 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Blood In, Blood Out is a good movie
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 9:56 am 
 

Zetro is back?!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:39 am 
 

Not excited by the title and I would have preferred an interview with Holt and/or Souza rather than the rhythm section, here.

Also, while I never liked Dukes, I don't think they're being very smart by invoking bullshit "musical differences" reasons for firing him now. His style has been out of place in Exodus from day one. You don't just wake up one day after a decade of working with him and suddenly realize "oh, that vocalist isn't a great fit for us, is he?". Especially not when you replace him with your old singer the second you fire him. It's plainly obvious that Dukes was fired because Souza agreed to come back, and not the other way around.

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That's got to be one of the most self-referential titles this side of Manowar. It manages to reference their old history and recent developments.

Yup. It'll also be the third full-length Exodus record with "Blood" in the title, and that's not a great sign for a band that many (unfairly) think will always be in the shadow of its debut, 'Bonded by Blood'. Besides, the band's material has been recycling riffs and ideas ad nauseum for a decade indeed, but from the 'Fabulous Disaster' and 'Impact is Imminent' albums (and to a lesser extent, from 'Pleasures of the Flesh', too), not from the debut by any stretch of the imagination, so this title is misleading. You're living off of recycling the Souza era, guys, not the Baloff one-hit wonder. Plus now you have Souza himself back in the fold. At least act like it.

Beyond that, this is still the best shot Exodus will have at releasing something worthwhile in forever. I just hope Holt & company tone the groove metal influences the fuck down and, more importantly, find some genuine inspiration for once, and offer new riffs and ideas, rather than the nth dragged-out variation on the "Objection Overruled" theme. I love 'Impact is Imminent', mind you, but it doesn't mean I want to hear ersatz after ersatz of it.

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Zetro is back?!

Well, yeah. He's been back for a little over a month(*):
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=105532

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 11:44 am 
 

Exodus hasn't been great for several albums, so you know. Even some of that Exodus groove shit seeped into the latest Heathen record, so you know... whatever.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:18 pm 
 

I think I'll give it a shot. I don't know. Tempo of the Damned was pretty cool, but I didn't care for anything after Shovel Headed Kill Machine.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:41 pm 
 

volutetheswarth wrote:
Didn't expect this news. Exodus were becoming a little repetitive with Dukes so let's hope this is a much needed change.


Well remember that the album was already written and about to be recorded when Dukes got fired, so the music on the album would have been the same regardless of who the singer ended up being. Still, Zetro's voice I'm sure will give the band a much needed shot in the arm, if only because, as much as I didn't mind him, he's about 500x better than Dukes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:43 pm 
 

I actually liked their latest effort a lot, even more so than Pleasures and Fabulous Disaster (though I don't know those albums all that well).
I'm curious to see what they can bring with Zetro back on vocals. A lot of people didn't like Dukes, I get that, but he put on a heck of a show every time I saw them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 2:56 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
Blood In, Blood Out is a good movie, let's hope it makes for a good album.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the title. Vatos Locos!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:14 pm 
 

I'm definitely anticipating this but I can't help but wonder how it'll compare to Hatriot's last album. Let's just hope it's not as bloated as the Atrocities and that Zetro's vocals can still reach the character they did on Tempo of the Damned. It seems like he's gotten a little too screechy lately...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:52 pm 
 

I'm a bit skeptical as I don't like Exodus' combination of groove riffs with thrash in recent years. Let there be Blood was the worst re-recording I have ever heard, and Atrocity Exhibition Exhibit A and Shovel Headed Kill Machine I didn't enjoy. Mostly, I hated Duke's vocals so Zetro's return could make me interested again.
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I, too am skeptical- I've always liked Exodus but a lot of their stuff has been VERY hit and miss over the last decade and last few albums. Too "Nu Metallish" especially with the whole tough-guy, beat people up lyrical themes. I know, that was always part of their whole schtick, but as Mr.Worm said, the combination of groove riffs with thrash doesn't work very well for me. So hearing the title "Blood in Blood out" I'm already skeptical- it leads me to think it will be more of the same old same old, with maybe one or two outstanding tracks and the rest filler, much like the last few albums have been.

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What exactly...is wrong with the 'tough guy beat people up' lyrical theme? Sometimes, that's what I want to do. I agree, some singers/lyrics can make it sound retarded but if you've got a quick witted dude up there spitting threats (like Zetro) then it comes across as fucking awesome. I don't know. I just can't write off the tough guy schtick because when done right, I want to G.I. Joe headstomp some people. Pro-Pain are like my go-to for that kinda shit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 12:30 pm 
 

Jesus, such hostility towards Exodus. Anyway, I'm really excited about this. I was slightly disappointed by them kicking out Dukes, but I'm willing to take at face value their reasoning towards his firing. They said this will be shorter than all the other modern albums (longest song at 6 minutes) and in general sounds pretty promising, though I really liked all of the post-2000's Exodus albums save for Exhibit A, which I thought was real long-winded.
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Agree with Exigence. Nothing wrong with the occasional witty lyrical waxing about breaking some heads. I'm perfectly fine with groove in thrash if it's done right. A lot of people misuse the term anyway, thinking all it encompasses is Walk. Reign In Blood was full of grooves for example.
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thrashinbatman wrote:
Jesus, such hostility towards Exodus. Anyway, I'm really excited about this. I was slightly disappointed by them kicking out Dukes, but I'm willing to take at face value their reasoning towards his firing. They said this will be shorter than all the other modern albums (longest song at 6 minutes) and in general sounds pretty promising, though I really liked all of the post-2000's Exodus albums save for Exhibit A, which I thought was real long-winded.


You think that Exhibit A was the long-winded one? Really?
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Diamhea wrote:
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Jesus, such hostility towards Exodus. Anyway, I'm really excited about this. I was slightly disappointed by them kicking out Dukes, but I'm willing to take at face value their reasoning towards his firing. They said this will be shorter than all the other modern albums (longest song at 6 minutes) and in general sounds pretty promising, though I really liked all of the post-2000's Exodus albums save for Exhibit A, which I thought was real long-winded.


You think that Exhibit A was the long-winded one? Really?

Yeah, I mean, Exhibit B was long too, I'll give you that, but Exhibit A felt artificially extended by endless soloing, the same reason I didn't gel much with Endgame. Exhibit B just had a fuck-ton of riffs, arguably too many, though I didn't think so.
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Exigence wrote:
What exactly...is wrong with the 'tough guy beat people up' lyrical theme?

I think Phil Anselmo left a bad taste in everyone's mouth when it comes to that, which is why it garners such a negative reaction from people.

That, and it can just come off as being really douchey and trying too hard to sound menacing.
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^yeah, that's pretty much my issue with it. It's been too overused as a cop-out by mediocre bands trying to sound "Heavy" aggressive and tough, but they instead come across as douchebag/jocks. I agree it can be done well, but all too often, it's just a cliché for lame, tough-guy posturing in lieu of actual good songwriting.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:05 pm 
 

Kirk Hammett did a solo for a song on the album.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... e-20140725

That'll be a fun song, as will the rest of the songs if Exodus finally screwed their heads back on right.
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Diamhea wrote:
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Jesus, such hostility towards Exodus. Anyway, I'm really excited about this. I was slightly disappointed by them kicking out Dukes, but I'm willing to take at face value their reasoning towards his firing. They said this will be shorter than all the other modern albums (longest song at 6 minutes) and in general sounds pretty promising, though I really liked all of the post-2000's Exodus albums save for Exhibit A, which I thought was real long-winded.


You think that Exhibit A was the long-winded one? Really?


That's the one with as many ~8+ minute songs as shorter ones, so yeah, I'd agree with him.

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The fuck? Exhibit B is almost ten minutes longer, and complete unmitigated shit to boot. At least A had Funeral Hymn and Riot Act...

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Diamhea wrote:
The fuck? Exhibit B is almost ten minutes longer, and complete unmitigated shit to boot. At least A had Funeral Hymn and Riot Act...


Well, that's where we disagree. I didn't think B was shit at all. It may be longer, but I didn't feel like it was long through repetition like A was. I actually don't really like Funeral Hymn for that reason, though Riot Act is a kick-ass song.
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Exhibit B may be longer, but there are more songs and they're generally shorter than the stuff on Exhibit A. Let's just compromise here and say both of them suck, shall we?
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Fair 'nuff.
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I'm honestly a little surprised that something like that hadn't happened sooner. Seems like Impaler would've been the perfect place for a Kirk Hammett cameo.
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Talking about the two exhibits, though they sin of long timeplay as you all have stated, I find some really nice songs here and there (Funeral Hymn, Children of a worthless god, Class dismissed, Downfall, Democide, The sun is my destroyer, etc), but I find Exhibit A of lesser quality than Exhibit B. They do have filler, that cannot be denied, but they also have tunes that hit right in the spot. So, nevertheless the misses, I keep the hits and tend to enjoy the two albums when I have the time and I'm in the mood to listen 1 hour long albums, which is not often.

In regard of the singers, first know that I'm not a big fan of Exodus, haven't listened to all their studio albums, specially their pre-hiatus era, but I find Duke's voice fits splendidly on Exodus. The hate, the rudeness, the rawness of his voice adds a plus to the band and I kind of "feel bad" for his dismissal, or whatever it has been.

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As much as I am not a fan of Dukes' voice, I feel bad for him too, I mean I heard they fired him via text/phone when he was on his honeymoon or something (can someone confirm this?) which is just a dick move all around. Pretty sure he was a guitar tech or roadie before he tried out for the band, so him getting the gig is a "feel good" story in that regard, too bad it ended on a sour note.
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The little bits and pieces they've talked about suggest that it was because of creative differences. Dukes said it was one call but they said that it was more than one call. I don't know, and I bet no one will know for several years for sure.
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It is too early to talk about album. I hope it will like old Exodus stuff.

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OzzyApu wrote:
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Blood In, Blood Out is a good movie, let's hope it makes for a good album.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the title. Vatos Locos!


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somefella wrote:
Agree with Exigence. Nothing wrong with the occasional witty lyrical waxing about breaking some heads. I'm perfectly fine with groove in thrash if it's done right. A lot of people misuse the term anyway, thinking all it encompasses is Walk. Reign In Blood was full of grooves for example.


Agreed. Grooves of one sort of another have existed in metal music for years before Pantera & the likes came along, but since then it's like the word 'groove' has been hijacked to exclusively mean Pantera / Machine Head style riffs [much like the way other words / terms have been hijacked in music and society in general, but I don't care to get into that here]. I even recall reading a review of Pestilence - Consuming Impulse album years ago where the reviewer was referring to a riff in the song Out Of The Body as a 'massive groove'. Imagine how misleading that can sound nowadays.

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Agree with Exigence. Nothing wrong with the occasional witty lyrical waxing about breaking some heads. I'm perfectly fine with groove in thrash if it's done right. A lot of people misuse the term anyway, thinking all it encompasses is Walk. Reign In Blood was full of grooves for example.


Agreed. Grooves of one sort of another have existed in metal music for years before Pantera & the likes came along, but since then it's like the word 'groove' has been hijacked to exclusively mean Pantera / Machine Head style riffs [much like the way other words / terms have been hijacked in music and society in general, but I don't care to get into that here]. I even recall reading a review of Pestilence - Consuming Impulse album years ago where the reviewer was referring to a riff in the song Out Of The Body as a 'massive groove'. Imagine how misleading that can sound nowadays.


So true. Some of my favourite death metal bands are such because of their mastery of heavy grooves. People just use the word groove to refer to tough guy metal chugs, which is really only a small portion of what could be described as "groovy".

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