Kalimata, your comment about “post-“ is assuming that the scenes that develop around different music genres name or talk about their genres/scenes in the same way and they don’t. Punk and hardcore especially use location to talk about and differentiate “genres” a lot more than metal does.

Your statement is absolutely right and I'm well aware the different music genres have their own way to classify their inner subgenres and scenes. But that doesn't mean everything must be taken for granted.

If we try to think music classification globally and make it something relevant, we have to move beyond the perspective of your inner musical culture, especially when we use terms that are already used by scientists, musicologists or by other genres' community. Most of the subgenres and subscenes created by the medias and taken for granted by fans make no sense musicologically speaking and are terms that are used randomly just to create new trends. That's why we don't need most of those absurd new subgenres because it only contributes to make things confusing. And this is my opinion that music classification should be thought globally and not from your own genre's perspective or from the doxa or medias' imagination.

Finally, each genre having its own way of classifying is not necessarily a good thing. Since its inception, the metal community has build a strong cultural identity and is overall made of passionate fans that are cultured and open minded enough to come up with a more or less decent classification of their own genre according to global music classification standards. But this is not the case for all genres of music's community and they shouldn't be taken as an example.

"Post-" has an accurate meaning in music classification and shouldn't be used randomly as we do. Linguistics defines "post-" as a concept that follows one another, using some its core elements but in a different frame and I a way that cannot be clearly defined. I don't think this definition is exactly applied for post-metal or post-hardcore.

Firstly, post-punk might historically be the first rock subgenre using the "post-" descriptor. In the late 70's and early 80's, it was used as an umbrella term for all bands having punk roots in their music but turning the rage into something more arty, dissonant or adding other musical experiments. Therefore it could include a large panel of things like some new-wave bands, cold wave, early industrial rock, emerging batcave, death rock and gothic rock...
But as things got more precise with time, a lot of those subgenre got a name of their own. Post-punk started to be used as a subgenre name too and not only as an umbrella term. As such, it became limited to the punkier bands that used those weird experiments, like early Siouxsie and the Banshees or Joy Division. While those departing from the punk roots would be called gothic rock. This is at least how the gothic community tend to see it.
Finally, there was this "post-punk" revival in the 2000's, but most of what I've heard of this sounds more pop/cold-wave, which has added to the confusion.
So as often in music, we're left with a double-meaning term, just like it's the case for "heavy metal" or "rock" and many others: one being an umbrella term and one being a specific subgenre of this umbrella term.
... to whom it gave its name...

As for post-rock and post-metal, I know some refer to these terms as specific subgenres, but it's my personal point of view that they are misnomers because the meaning of "post" is very broad and then it always should correspond to an umbrella term, like it used to be for post-punk in the first place.

What are some examples of this? I'm not really that knowledgeable about punk and hardcore after the very early stuff, and it seems to me that metal uses regional terms as a shorthand for describing a certain subgenre's sound fairly often, especially in death metal and black metal.

If it's pretty heavy with distorted guitars is it not kind of just metal really?

No. No no. No no no no. No!

I really want to make a case for a few albums in the posthardcore area, but haven't had much luck adding the bands. If it's pretty heavy with distorted guitars is it not kind of just metal really?

I'm sorry but breakdowns don't make something hardcore. If you listen to pure original hardcore,breakdowns are most of the time non-existent while they are more common in metal. I hear almost nothing in deathcore that has a musical link with Bad Brains or Black Flag.

Modern "heavy" breakdowns originated in the early 80s hardcore scene and developed within that scene (Particularly in NYHC) to become the chugga chugga type riffs you see now in Metalcore/Deathcore by the early 90s. Metal bands didn't start it and the occasional use of these breakdowns by Thrash/Groove bands (Slayer, Carnivore, Pantera, etc.) is because these people were listening to and around lot of the aforementioned hardcore records and bands.

So no, chugga chugga riffs and breakdowns aren't metal and don't sound metal outside of surface level characteristics like guitar tone/production.

Well, breakdowns are metal depending on its rhythm and songwriting, for example, the breakdown for this song by Carcass, which are goregrind (aka gore metal, for the Exhumed nerds).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6zOG_CrwnE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oVW8gcse4g (Laid to Rest)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDATU5_jeC0 (Domination)

These two bands on these two tracks are well-known and labeled by most of metalheads as metal, both being groove metal.

If you're trying to draw attention to specific sections of songs to make an argument, it's helpful to put time stamps please.

Well yeah, in these cases the overall songs are metal, so the brief chugga chugga part is just a section of the song. I'm not saying everything with a breakdown is automatically non-metal lol.

I was just demonstrating via historical musical development why (modern) breakdowns and chug riffs aren't intrinsically metal, and why core bands where chug riffs are all or most of their material shouldn't be regarded as such.

what the fuck is brown metal

what the fuck is brown metal

what the fuck is brown metal

Is post metal considered to be a type of progressive metal? By post metal, I am referring to bands like Deftones, Isis, Cult of Luna or Agalloch. Do they count as prog metal or is post metal just a separate thing?

I have been into trap metal for about one year now---Is it really considered metal since there is a little rap mixed in from time to time??? Kim Dracula is my favorite trap metal artists...

I have been into trap metal for about one year now---Is it really considered metal since there is a little rap mixed in from time to time??? Kim Dracula is my favorite trap metal artists...

I have been into trap metal for about one year now---Is it really considered metal since there is a little rap mixed in from time to time??? Kim Dracula is my favorite trap metal artists...

Do you guys consider technical death metal and progressive death metal to be two different and separate genres?

Yes, they are different genres. I don't understand what the question is?