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LegendMaker
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:34 am 
 

Sure. Many French words ending in "er" have that syllable pronounced "é" indeed (no real equivalent in English, the closest being "ay", I guess), but that's mostly the case for verbs (manger, parler, marcher...). Hiver is a noun, and the "er" part is pronounced "air" for most of these instead (just like the English words "air" or "heir"); that's also the case for "la mer" (the sea: "lah mair"), "le fer" (iron: "luh fair"), "mon cher" (my dear, who's necessarily a male: "munh shair") etc.

I understand your native language probably is Danish considering your location, but it's safer to refer to English as it's our common language here.
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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:22 pm 
 

LegendMaker wrote:
Sure. Many French words ending in "er" have that syllable pronounced "é" indeed (no real equivalent in English, the closest being "ay", I guess), but that's mostly the case for verbs (manger, parler, marcher...). Hiver is a noun, and the "er" part is pronounced "air" for most of these instead (just like the English words "air" or "heir"); that's also the case for "la mer" (the sea: "lah mair"), "le fer" (iron: "luh fair"), "mon cher" (my dear, who's necessarily a male: "munh shair") etc.

I understand your native language probably is Danish considering your location, but it's safer to refer to English as it's our common language here.


The thing about nouns and verbs is probably where I got things mixed up - Thanks for clarifying!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:34 pm 
 

Weird one for me: Melechesh.

I know it's Mell-e-chesh, but my tongue doesn't work that way and I keep going Mell-e-cheese-sh.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:34 pm 
 

slayrrr666 wrote:
Weird one for me: Melechesh.

I know it's Mell-e-chesh, but my tongue doesn't work that way and I keep going Mell-e-cheese-sh.

I've heard this one as Mell-eh-kesh at their concert.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:05 pm 
 

I always pronounce Ildjarn with a "j" as in "jeep", even though it's surely pronounced ild-yarn (eeld-yarn?). Just one of those things where once it's stuck in your head, it's hard to shake.
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:18 pm 
 

OzzyApu wrote:
slayrrr666 wrote:
Weird one for me: Melechesh.

I know it's Mell-e-chesh, but my tongue doesn't work that way and I keep going Mell-e-cheese-sh.

I've heard this one as Mell-eh-kesh at their concert.

Well, the "ch" sound doesn't exist in the English language, so you kind of have to try to approximate it. Basically sounds like the thing people do before they spit.
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Deaderthebetter
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:23 pm 
 

Not me personally but some people seem to love I-run Maiden instead of the correct I-ern Maiden.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:42 pm 
 

Pretty much every German does that, myself included. :nods:
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Erosion of Humanity
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:55 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Well, the "ch" sound doesn't exist in the English language, so you kind of have to try to approximate it. Basically sounds like the thing people do before they spit.


We have two sounds for the 'ch' combo it's either a 'k' or a 'sh' sound.
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Metal Invader
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:57 pm 
 

Somebody knows how to pronunce 'Kataxu' ?

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shouvince
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:27 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
OzzyApu wrote:
I've heard this one as Mell-eh-kesh at their concert.

Well, the "ch" sound doesn't exist in the English language, so you kind of have to try to approximate it. Basically sounds like the thing people do before they spit.


You mean the 'khuh' sound? Always thought it was Mell-leh-khesh and not -kesh.

How does one say 'Mgla'?

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:17 am 
 

Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
droneriot wrote:
Well, the "ch" sound doesn't exist in the English language, so you kind of have to try to approximate it. Basically sounds like the thing people do before they spit.


We have two sounds for the 'ch' combo it's either a 'k' or a 'sh' sound.

I'm referring to the "ch" sound in Hebrew (or German).
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:38 am 
 

Paracoccidioidomicosisproctitissarcomucosis

I pronounce it as that Mexican band with the the really long name.
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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:49 am 
 

Hayisforhorses wrote:
Paracoccidioidomicosisproctitissarcomucosis

I pronounce it as that Mexican band with the the really long name.


I think that's pretty spot on.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:37 am 
 

Sick6Six wrote:
Taake - still don't know
Drudkh - I just say it how it's spelled without the H like drud-k
Endstille - End-Still?
Marduk - I always call them marDUCK


Taake I pronounce as Tar-k
Drudkh I prounce as Drewd-keh, never had to say this so might be way off.
Endstille I pronounce as End-style
Marduk I pronounce as Mar-dook
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Sick6Six
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:49 am 
 

an R in Taake huh? I'll just call them Take or tahkee or taco... I know whenever I'm at a Marduk concert everyone says mar-dook I just like marduck better :)

Other bands I hate trying to pronounce are the ones that have "Svart" or any variation of that in them such as Svartsyn, Svarttjern, Zwartplaag, etc. Pretty sure svart means black or dark and Zwartplaag means "black plague" so I usually just call them that. Awesome band btw but too bad they are on hold. I know Schwarz means dark or black in German/Austrian which is not as uncomfortable to pronounce as "svart" :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:51 am 
 

Taake = Toh-keh (like the 'o' in 'clothes')

Svart is pronounced "Svaht" in swedish but the T is like the T from an indian dialect, if you know what I mean. (unless you're from the south of Sweden, in which case it is pronounced with the throaty R before the T.)
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:57 am 
 

Jackoroth wrote:
Sick6Six wrote:
Endstille - End-Still?


Endstille I pronounce as End-style

:ugh:

Try End-shtill-uh
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Metal Invader
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:57 pm 
 

No Poles in here ?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 5:07 pm 
 

Sick6Six wrote:
an R in Taake huh? I'll just call them Take or tahkee or taco...

Keep in mind that Jackoroth is Australian, so his "ar" probably sounds exactly like the American "ah". It's kind of like how it took me months to realize that the name of the band Whoretopsy is supposed to rhyme with "autopsy", because with an American accent it just sounds like "HOAR-top-see" instead of "HAWUH-top-see".
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raumr
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:06 pm 
 

The best approximation to Taake I've seen was earlied in this thread: TALK-EH. Another close alternatives is "TAWK-EH".

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SadisticGratification
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:37 pm 
 

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One that really bugs me is Arsaidh/Saor. He changed the name from Arsaidh to Saor because of pronunciation issues... How is Saor any easier to pronounce? Sore? Sour? Say - or? I actually found Arsaidh easier to pronounce as "Ar - sayed"


I would assume it's like Awr-shuck but it's a Scots Gàidhlig word not an Irish Gaelic word. In Ireland we don't have the grave accent just the acute accent (called a fáda) but I think between the languages the s is a "sh" sound and the dh is a "k" sound. Assuming the grave a makes a similar sound to an acute a in Irish then it should give an "aw" sound.

As for Saor that means free in Ireland and I assume the same in Scotland. It's pretty easy to pronounce, "Sair" is how it's pronounced.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:45 pm 
 

I'm not sure about Sonne Adam since it's in hebrew. I pronounce "Sonne" like it is in german, and Adam as in english.

Also, Akitsa. Ah-ki-ti-sa?

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Tron_79
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:52 pm 
 

raumr wrote:
The best approximation to Taake I've seen was earlied in this thread: TALK-EH. Another close alternatives is "TAWK-EH".


The interviewer here seems to pronounce it like that too (@ 0:50)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:58 pm 
 

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I too always said Selteec Frost and Seereeth Un-goal. It just comes naturally with the French accent (do you guys say "the Kelts" referring to the Celts, too? It sounds so wrong to my ears, I'm not sure I can ever get used to that).


You're not alone. As an Italian speaker, "keltic" sounds twice as wrong to my ears: just like you never say "kellar" or "keremony" in English, you don't say "kenere" or "kensura" in Italian. The first c in "celtico" sounds like the "ch" in "chair", because that's how c+e sounds like in Italian, with zero exceptions. I've sort of accustomed myself to say "keltic" when referring to the band but unless I'm paying attention I will easily relapse into "seltic". Not that I care that much anyway :P
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:02 pm 
 

I used to say "seltic" too as it is natural for a portuguese speaker, but I worried that Tom might break down in tears if he knew people mispronounced the name of his band, so I started saying keltic.

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DarkWolfXV
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:11 pm 
 

shouvince wrote:
How does one say 'Mgla'?


Its 'Mgła'. The 'ł' letter in polish is kinda like a 'w' in english. So you pronounce it 'Mgwah'.

Metal Invader wrote:
Somebody knows how to pronunce 'Kataxu' ?


Your other post below the one im quoting implies that this is a polish name, so it is pronounced like it is written. Probably 'Cataxu' would be closest.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:51 pm 
 

That's weird, the Latvians in Skyforger have a song called "Mgla Mgla Rasa Rasa", and they pronounce it "Mi-ga-la"

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GuardAwakening
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:28 pm 
 

I just now realized Cephalotripsy is pronounced like "Sef-ul-law-tripsy" per this interview I just saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMVGs5d5NK8

I ALWAYS pronounced their band name Sef-al-o-tripsy :\

SIDE NOTE: also Sepultura is one I mispronounced for a long time as well

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:40 pm 
 

Haha, I wonder how people outside of Denmark pronounce Undergang? That's a tough one.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:50 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Haha, I wonder how people outside of Denmark pronounce Undergang? That's a tough one.

I pronounce it like the German word "untergang" but with a "d" instead of a "t". How's the correct phonetics on this one? Kind of curious now. :)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:06 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Haha, I wonder how people outside of Denmark pronounce Undergang? That's a tough one.


It's sort of like the german Untergang, but the D is silent and instead makes the N faster. The A is the typical scandinavian long A.
So it's sort of like "UNnergaang" with the emphasis on the first syllable. Even though it's sort of a deep, long A sound the "gang" part is actually somewhat short.
Hope that makes sense :)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:15 pm 
 

Yeah, that's actually pretty different from what I call them. :lol:

Still regarding the Seltic/Keltic thing. In Portuguese when you have a "c" followed by "e" or "i" it's sibilant, but when it's followed by "a", "o" or "u" it's harsh (k). So we say, in Portuguese (all words beginning with a "c"); "karro" (car), "sebola" (onion), "sigarro" (cigar), "komando" (commando), "ku" (ass). Now imagine someone who speaks Portuguese reading "Celtic Frost"... it's really hard not to say "Seltic" each and every time. ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:25 pm 
 

Huldrelok wrote:
Have allways pronounced Kyuss Ke-Yuss, found out recently its Kai-Us.


Same here. I had problems uttering Agalloch, Sigur Ros and Griftegard earlier. Not anymore. :-P
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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:38 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Helvede wrote:
Haha, I wonder how people outside of Denmark pronounce Undergang? That's a tough one.

I pronounce it like the German word "untergang" but with a "d" instead of a "t". How's the correct phonetics on this one? Kind of curious now. :)

To complete the Danish pronunciation effect, stuff hot potatoes in your mouth while saying it.

Don't really know if Behexen is supposed to be pronounced the English way or the Finnish way, the main difference being in the way the first 'e' is pronounced. In Finnish, it would be pronounced like the vowel in 'lead', as in the metal, or like the other 'e'-letters in Behexen. The last 'e' is longer compared to the English pronunciation.

At least I seem to recall Alan Averill pronouncing it as be-hexen.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:48 pm 
 

ClaymanOnFire wrote:
My biggest problem is with Amesoeurs. Am-eh-sorz? Am-ee-syurs? Too many vowels :annoyed:

Necroghast wrote:
Pretty sure its "Ah - me - swah"? I'm sure French speakers could tell you.

lol, not even close. It's hard to explain the pronounciation of "soeur" though (it means "sister"). The o is silent, so it's really like "seur", but the "eu" sound does not exist in English. The best way to explain it is, imagine someone saying "sir" with a very thick French accent. :D
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Paysage d'hiver doesn't sound goofy at all when you know how to say it. Peh-ee-zage dee-vher

I disagree with the "zage" part, it's very misleading for an English speaker. It's be more accurate to write "-zahj".

slayrrr666 wrote:
Weird one for me: Melechesh.

I know it's Mell-e-chesh, but my tongue doesn't work that way and I keep going Mell-e-cheese-sh.

I used to say Meh-leh-kesh. But according to Israelis I've spoken to, it's actually Meh-leh-hesh, with the first h in "hesh" being hard (much like the hard j sound in Spanish, as in Jorge being Hor-hay).
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hellofallhells
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:27 am 
 

I pronounced Dimmu Borgir as Borjir for years. Not sure why. :???:

Lots of band names in this thread that I've never heard of. Got some catchin' up to do.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:14 am 
 

Can anyone confirm the correct way to pronounce Mike Scheidt from YOB's last name?

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LegendMaker
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:49 am 
 

Wait, so "undergang" is actually a Danish word? It looks just like a combo of "under" and "gang" in English. I would have pronounced it just like that (and imagined it referred to a whole gang of underdogs). What does it actually mean, then?

Morrigan wrote:
the "eu" sound does not exist in English.

It sort of does: "uh", or indeed in words like "Sir" or "merge" (the first E). What's very very hard for English speakers is the French sound U, though; the closest I've found is in how "suppose" is generally pronounced.

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Can anyone confirm the correct way to pronounce Mike Scheidt from YOB's last name?

What's YOB? Not sure where the guy's from, but this looks to me like the German name that's roughly pronounced "shite" (with a silent D and short T sound).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:06 am 
 

Yob is a disgustingly heavy cosmic doom trio from Eugene, Oregon.

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