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Author:  drobowik [ Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Nope, typically they never care.
They only remove restricted cd's like Scorpions - Virgin Killer first, very stupid IMHO.
Author:  Bloodcult [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!
here's a detail photo of "Darkness Descends" bootleg: http://images64.fotosik.pl/1060/3cace0e832e37908.jpg
Author:  Metantoine [ Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Research on suspicion of fake CDs - share your thoughts!
Uh. Why would you use an old thread when this one is stickied :( viewtopic.php?f=1&t=92986
Author:  AcidMind [ Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
I have question about 2 items i have bought recently

1. Trelldom - Til Evighet ... / HNF
there are bunch of reissues from Head Not Found, but mine have strange matrix - XXX001 and something similar to barcode, and 4 pages booklet with poor printing and text of only 2 songs

2. Carbonized - Disharmonization / Pavement
this looks more legit to me, only matrix is missed on discogs, so i would like to check it with somebody who owns this issue
matrix on my CD is (mirrored) 76962322022 DISC MFG, INC (H2) W.O. 31481-1V
no ifpi

Any thoughts about this CDs?
Author:  drobowik [ Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:52 pm ]
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Pictures would help more.

According to description Trelldom don't look legit to me.

Carbonized could be legit, but I need to see the matrix font.
Author:  AcidMind [ Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:15 pm ]
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drobowik wrote:
Pictures would help more.
Carbonized could be legit, but I need to see the matrix font.


Here you go

Image
Author:  dreadmeat [ Tue Jul 08, 2014 4:42 pm ]
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And the Trelldom ?
Author:  AcidMind [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:59 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
And the Trelldom ?


Ups, sorry

This is Trelldom

Image
Author:  dreadmeat [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:07 am ]
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Does that mould sid code say IFPI ACK20 ?!
Author:  AcidMind [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:37 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
Does that mould sid code say IFPI ACK20 ?!


Yes, Sir!
Author:  drobowik [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Carbonized looks legit.

Trelldom don't look legit to me.
In case of first CD on HNF I could accept it, that they manufactured it on some unknown little plant.
But in case of 16th release, as cat# is HNF16 I don't very believe that.

I have seen quite strange matrix codes, but all of them are belongs to unknown self-released CDs in early days.
Author:  josephcbrace [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:35 pm ]
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Author:  dreadmeat [ Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:48 pm ]
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drobowik wrote:
Carbonized looks legit.

Trelldom don't look legit to me.
In case of first CD on HNF I could accept it, that they manufactured it on some unknown little plant.
But in case of 16th release, as cat# is HNF16 I don't very believe that.

I have seen quite strange matrix codes, but all of them are belongs to unknown self-released CDs in early days.

Yeah I agree, it looks pretty suspect: wrong font, generic text and unless it's been resurfaced or kept in a dust proof airtight room in far too good condition for its age.

It needs to be added to Discogs as an unofficial release though so there's a record of its existence.
There's an unofficial LP version of this album: http://www.discogs.com/Trelldom-Til-Evighet/release/4589953

This album doesn't appear to be very hard to find or valuable...

That mould sid code points to Russia
Author:  dreadmeat [ Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:19 pm ]
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Down - Diary Of A Mad Band: Europe In The Year Of VI

Does this come with a booklet do you guys know? :scratch:
Author:  AcidMind [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Need help with Solstice CDs i just got.

1. Solstice / Solstice - Century Media US press, no ipfi, but font on matrix is different than on discogs foto (look to 5 in the end), booklet is only 4 pages

here are fotos
Spoiler: show
matrix
Image

matrix from discogs
Image

booklet
Image


2. Solstice / Pray
CD looks different that on discogs, here are fotos as well
Spoiler: show
matrix
Image

CD
Image

CD from discogs
Image


What do you think about it?
Author:  dreadmeat [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
The Sonopress one looks ok but the other one looks very wrong, it may be inverted [like that dodgy Immolation CD I got] the star things look wrong too
Where did you buy it from?
Author:  AcidMind [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
dreadmeat wrote:
The Sonopress one looks ok but the other one looks very wrong, it may be inverted [like that dodgy Immolation CD I got] the star things look wrong too
Where did you buy it from?


Got both on discogs from http://www.discogs.com/seller/apexmusic, for about 50 usd total

As to first CD - looks like both matrix inverted, on discogs foto and on mine. "Pray" - there are difference on CD printing as well, around central hole.
Author:  dreadmeat [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Did you not read his feedback first?

http://www.discogs.com/sell/seller_feedback/apexmusic?show=Negative
bootleg seller from Belarus
Author:  Recordcollector [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Both looks fake to me
Author:  dreadmeat [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:24 am ]
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That Sonopress one is a bit more subtle, given the guy is a known bootleg seller I wouldn't trust it.
I'd be reporting him to Discogs and making a Paypal claim against him too.
He likely has an Ebay account...
Author:  dreadmeat [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:28 am ]
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I just reported him at Discogs now.
Author:  Recordcollector [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:38 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
I just reported him at Discogs now.


good
Author:  ~Guest 82538 [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:07 am ]
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Recordcollector wrote:
Both looks fake to me

Agreed. The font on the SONOPRESS one is also sketchy, too grainy.
Author:  AcidMind [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Thanks for help! Will contact with him now.
Author:  TheDarkHarvest [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:52 am ]
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God damn, I would have missed both of those. I would have thought they were good, but comparing them to the real deal it's noticeable. good boots XD
Author:  dreadmeat [ Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:06 pm ]
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apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247
Author:  dreadmeat [ Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:49 am ]
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Shrinebuilder CD matrix, what do you guys have?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Shrinebuilder/Shrinebuilder/253141
Author:  AcidMind [ Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:45 pm ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!
Author:  dreadmeat [ Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:34 pm ]
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AcidMind wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!
I'll speak for myself, but yes!
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406
Author:  AcidMind [ Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:26 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406


I was not, but joined 5 min ago
Author:  dreadmeat [ Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
I have a different CD version here :scratch:
http://www.discogs.com/Diocletian-Doom-Cult/release/5892568

Matrix: IP003 8A03102-CD IFPI LT002
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LT002
Mould SID Code: IFPI TAR98

scan
http://t.co/jOm2VRykAG

this is the other version I have
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11
Author:  AcidMind [ Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
dreadmeat wrote:
Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11


I have the same, bought it in March'2014 from russian distro, rest CDs from those purchase was legit. Probably a reissue?
Author:  krakhuul [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
A couple of years ago I got what I assume to be the original European pressing of Asphyx's Last One on Earth for fairy cheap. I'm basing my assumption as to its legitimacy on this Discogs listing: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=598888, which is supposed to be the original European press. Now, my CD looks exactly the same, with the matrix font (spacing between characters & the characters themselves) being exactly spot on.

What I'd like to know is whether this listing truly is legitimate. And, my matrix is positioned slightly differently from the one on discogs in regards to the printed album art (as if it was just slightly moved in a clockwise direction along the circular "matrix space"; like I said, otherwise it looks completely the same). Should this be an issue? I think I read a couple of pages ago that matrix orientation (I think you guys call it as such) can differ between CDs actually pressed at the same plant. Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT: Yeah, the "moved matrix" that I'm talking about is re-positioned in the same way the Spiritual Healing matrix you discussed a couple of pages (page 27) back was. So, this shouldn't be an issue. Right?
Author:  ~Guest 82538 [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:37 am ]
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Nope. Matrix orientation has nothing to do with bootlegging. If you found out that it had different spacing in the matrix then yeah, but the clockwise position is a non-issue. ;)
Author:  krakhuul [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
Ha, thanks. Yeah, the matrix itself looks exactly like the one on Discogs. Guess I'm lucky, since it was a blind purchase.
Author:  drobowik [ Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
That Dureco matrix on discogs looks 100% legit.
Author:  dreadmeat [ Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:54 pm ]
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I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?
Author:  ~Guest 82538 [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:29 am ]
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dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?

Well... duh Dread! :D
Author:  Daemonlord [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread
dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?


Haha, yes - the Under One Flag stuff is notorious for boots pretty much throughout at least - not sure about Combat but likely the same. Metal Mind, probably not.

Legit font UOF style (you can just about make it out if you click & zoom) -
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Bootleg font -
Spoiler: show
Author:  dreadmeat [ Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:18 pm ]
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Hmmmmm there are some fairly cheap copies on Discogs :scratch:
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